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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Installers that use only tape to make up switch connections in the
wall...like the tape won't fall off in a couple of years.

Installers that put alarm panels 12' up the wall in a tiny pantry closet.

Installers that don't leave any service loop in the wall so if you have to
change a switch out you have to work with a magnifying glass and a pair of
locking forcepts...like you never ever have to change a switch?

Running only 2 conductor wire...sheesh...like 4 conductor is like what...5
bucks more a box? Especially in a flat-top house with tile floors and block
walls.

.....etc..
 
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jewellfish

Jan 1, 1970
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Installers who change wire color sequences ("oh, i felt like making
black positive today").

Installers who cram too much wire into a splice box, so that the cover
springs off and hits me in the face (as the 75lbs of extra cable knocks
me off the ladder).
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Installers who cram too much wire into a splice box, so that the cover
springs off and hits me in the face (as the 75lbs of extra cable knocks
me off the ladder).


What??? Another "levitating ladder" story??? :))
 
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JoeRaisin

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash said:
Installers that use only tape to make up switch connections in the
wall...like the tape won't fall off in a couple of years.

Installers that put alarm panels 12' up the wall in a tiny pantry closet.

Installers that don't leave any service loop in the wall so if you have to
change a switch out you have to work with a magnifying glass and a pair of
locking forcepts...like you never ever have to change a switch?

Or they do leave a service loop, but don't tape the beans back along the
wire so you can't pull out the switch.
Running only 2 conductor wire...sheesh...like 4 conductor is like what...5
bucks more a box? Especially in a flat-top house with tile floors and block
walls.

Or they run 4 conductor but cut the unused pair back so far they are
useless.
....etc..

No wires labeled and the existing panel is dead and there is no zone
info anywhere. (2 months ago - new home owner, 15 zones, aside from
fire all run on identical 4 conductor. Toner got quite a work out as
did I, running up and down stairs all day.)

Then there was the home owner who trimmed back our prewire bundle to
help the painter get it out of the way. Sure, he left enough wire....
AND he even saved the part he cut off so we would have the labeled ends...
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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So you can have the cut off labeled ends! Dummy of the Week Award !


|
|
| Crash Gordon wrote:
|
| > Installers that use only tape to make up switch connections in the
| > wall...like the tape won't fall off in a couple of years.
| >
| > Installers that put alarm panels 12' up the wall in a tiny pantry
closet.
| >
| > Installers that don't leave any service loop in the wall so if you have
to
| > change a switch out you have to work with a magnifying glass and a pair
of
| > locking forcepts...like you never ever have to change a switch?
|
| Or they do leave a service loop, but don't tape the beans back along the
| wire so you can't pull out the switch.
|
| >
| > Running only 2 conductor wire...sheesh...like 4 conductor is like
what...5
| > bucks more a box? Especially in a flat-top house with tile floors and
block
| > walls.
| >
|
| Or they run 4 conductor but cut the unused pair back so far they are
| useless.
|
| > ....etc..
| >
| >
|
| No wires labeled and the existing panel is dead and there is no zone
| info anywhere. (2 months ago - new home owner, 15 zones, aside from
| fire all run on identical 4 conductor. Toner got quite a work out as
| did I, running up and down stairs all day.)
|
| Then there was the home owner who trimmed back our prewire bundle to
| help the painter get it out of the way. Sure, he left enough wire....
| AND he even saved the part he cut off so we would have the labeled ends...
|
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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JoeRaisin said:
Or they do leave a service loop, but don't tape the beans back along the
wire so you can't pull out the switch.


Or they run 4 conductor but cut the unused pair back so far they are
useless.


No wires labeled and the existing panel is dead and there is no zone
info anywhere. (2 months ago - new home owner, 15 zones, aside from
fire all run on identical 4 conductor. Toner got quite a work out as
did I, running up and down stairs all day.)

Then there was the home owner who trimmed back our prewire bundle to
help the painter get it out of the way. Sure, he left enough wire....
AND he even saved the part he cut off so we would have the labeled ends...


I don't mean to be cruel, but that's funny. I'd bet I know what you
said to yourself :)

That scene would make a good cartoon.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Installers that use only tape to make up switch connections in the
I don't mean to be cruel, but that's funny. I'd bet I know what you
said to yourself :)
Here's funny... a builder builds 14 new $500,000. - $800,000.homes on a cul
de sac and I pre wire all with the darn huge prewire cabinet in the closet
of the master bedroom.
I go back to finish out the jobs and none of the closets have any prewire
boxes - they all have two rows of shelves across the wall where the prewire
boxes used to be. So I round up a copy of the plans and go looking for the
super and he says yea those boxes were in the way right in the middle of the
closets where they were supposed to be. He pulled all the wires out of each
one and stuffed them up above the ceilings somewhere and stacked all those
boxes over in the storage trailer. He says he'll go open up the trailer so
I can get the boxes and put them on the walls at the end of the closets. I
said don't bother cause I been paid for the prewire and it was done exactly
as it was shown on the plans and I am out of here - get somebody else to
finish it up and you can argue with them about all the extra costs.

Six months later I get a call from some gal saying she and her husband have
bought one of these houses and want the burglar alarm hooked up and four of
five other companies have been out there but none of them want to do it
because they can't find the central box where the wires are and she got my
number from the builder.

So just for grins I go out there to see what kind of deal the builder did to
fix this cause the phones, the data, the cable tv, the satellite tv, the
burglar alarm, the hardwired smokes, entrance camera etc, it was all in that
closet wire bundle. When I get there she takes me into the kitchen and says
they want a keypad at the back door. The back door has a telephone wire
running from the baseboard up the side of the door and across the top and
down the other side to a wall phone. I opened up the back door and theres
the phone wire running along the outside wall of this million dollar home.
This is not a good sign.

She sees me looking at this wire and says it looks bad doesn't it? I said
we prewired all these homes while they were being built and she says the
builder told her we went out of buisness and couldn't finish the job. I
explain to her thats not what really happenend and I should look around the
master bedroom closet and see how they fixed the wires. You're goning to
love this part; in the closet there are three squares of plywood painted to
match the ceiling where somebody has made huge holes in the closet ceiling -
no doubt looking for the wires. I open all three holes and no wires to be
seen anywhere.

I told here if she wanted all the wiring put back to normal and to get rid
of all the wires the phone company ran all over the place I would start
making holes in the wall until I figure out what the builder did and after
it fixed I'll have a sheetrock guy come and fix all these holes including
the ceiling so all the plywood will be gone and everything will work the way
its suppose to. By the end of the next day the wires were located and
rerouted to space in the attic that was easy to get to.

I had to install new electrical outlets, I had to install some plywood
flooring, and a sheetrocker made everything look brand new in the closet and
they were all happy and I ended up doing the exact same thing in the other
lucky 13 homes too.

The really sad thing is that this sort of stuff happens often and in this
case the builder just said too bad - theres no prewiring - do whatever you
want.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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JoeRaisin said:
Then there was the home owner who trimmed back our prewire bundle to
help the painter get it out of the way. Sure, he left enough wire....
AND he even saved the part he cut off so we would have the labeled ends...

ROFL!!!


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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Then there was the home owner who trimmed back our prewire bundle to help
the painter get it out of the way. Sure, he left enough wire....
AND he even saved the part he cut off so we would have the labeled ends...

An AGT (Alberta Government Telephones) tech did that on one of my installs
years ago only he terminated all 64 wires to a couple of BIX blocks figuring
there were 70+ telephone outlets in a 3500 square foot house... GRRRRRR!!!
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank said:
An AGT (Alberta Government Telephones) tech did that on one of my installs
years ago only he terminated all 64 wires to a couple of BIX blocks figuring
there were 70+ telephone outlets in a 3500 square foot house... GRRRRRR!!!

I Prewired a contemoporary style home (all vaulted/ceilings, no attic)
The audio guy came back to finish up before me. He used the wires that
I had run to mud rings for the two keypads on the second floor, for his
audio system controls. The client had to choose between alarm kepads
and audio controls. Fortunately there were two keypads on the second
floor and he chose one of each. Additionally, the audio installer
electrical taped all his wires in the basement to my wire runs.

Had another instance in a doctors office. I'd installed and wired the
alarm system before the telephone interconnect company installed the
phone system. I'd mounted a board and had my wired panel on it. When I
returned to show them how to use the alarm system, I discovered that
the telephone installers had unscrewed my panel, moved it to the edge
of the (very small) board and mounted their KSU, on it. My cable ties
all loosened. Wires all scrunched, twisted, pulled tight. Panel mounted
crooked with two screws. I was going to pull down their unit but
decided that my customer wouldn't see the situation from the same
perspective as I. I was able to add additional back board and
straighten the wires.

However, being the professional that I am, rather than pulling down
their work and jepordizing my relationship with my client. I got a
metal file from my van, filed a small handfull of metal filings and
sprinkeld it on the printed circuit boards. I understand that they
really had a lot of troubles with the telephone system and had to have
the system replaced. Some people just never learn.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
However, being the professional that I am, rather than pulling down
their work and jepordizing my relationship with my client. I got a
metal file from my van, filed a small handfull of metal filings and
sprinkeld it on the printed circuit boards. I understand that they
really had a lot of troubles with the telephone system and had to have
the system replaced. Some people just never learn.

Nice!




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