# Annual Power Consumption Summary

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005...

65,518KWH for $5,133.59 How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like Massachusetts? ...Jim Thompson J #### Joerg Jan 1, 1970 0 Hello Jim, Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005... 65,518KWH for$5,133.59

Ouch!

How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like
Massachusetts?

Ok, it's not that cold here. We are usually between $1300 and$1500 but
will soon be slapped with an extra solar panel tax. Ah, but we are in
California so they don't call that a tax.

Also, we heat with wood and use the A/C 30 hours a season, if that. Our
pool pumps are the main consumers.

Regards, Joerg

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,

Ok, it's not that cold here. We are usually between $1300 and$1500 but
will soon be slapped with an extra solar panel tax. Ah, but we are in
California so they don't call that a tax.

"Solar panel tax"? Wow! Here in AZ I got a tax CREDIT for solar
heating.
Also, we heat with wood and use the A/C 30 hours a season, if that. Our
pool pumps are the main consumers.

Regards, Joerg

I've had to run the A/C on Christmas day on several occasions ;-)

For instance it was 79°F yesterday, but not for long enough to require
A/C... this house IS very well insulated.

...Jim Thompson

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#### Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,
"Solar panel tax"? Wow! Here in AZ I got a tax CREDIT for solar
heating.

This one is to finance subsidies for people who want to install solar on
their roof. Makes perfect sense but doing it via an extra tax burden is
what I consider wrong.
I've had to run the A/C on Christmas day on several occasions ;-)

We had a pretty balmy winter this year. Didn't even go through 1/3 of
our firewood yet.

For instance it was 79°F yesterday, but not for long enough to require
A/C... this house IS very well insulated.

Ours is 70's era. a whole lot of panoramic windows. Single pane, of
course...

We had considered a new house when moving here but then we just didn't
want to live in one of the master-planned suburbia type neighborhoods.
We like it more when it's natural.

Regards, Joerg

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#### Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...
Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005...
65,518 kWH for $5,133.59 How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like Massachusetts? Whoa!!! We may pay more per kWhr, but we use a lot less electricity. My yearly average for the last four years was 12172 kWhr/yr,* less than 1/5x of what you use. Apparently air conditioners are murder, when you have to use them so much! We only run ours a few days each summer. And I thought my hungry computers were a big problem. Whew! * Works out to 1014 kWhr/mo, or 2.1 kW avg during a 16hr day. J #### John Larkin Jan 1, 1970 0 Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005... 65,518KWH for$5,133.59

How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like
Massachusetts?

...Jim Thompson

We average $110-120 a month for gas and electricity. We don't have a/c, and we leave the heat on all year. Outdoor air temp here stays mostly in the 45-65F sort of range. John R #### Ralph Barone Jan 1, 1970 0 Jim Thompson said: Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005... 65,518KWH for$5,133.59

How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like
Massachusetts?

...Jim Thompson

I don't want to go through the hassle of adding up all my bills (we
don't get annualized totals), but I used approx 11,382 KWH in the last
year, billed at $0.06/KWH for a 3,300 sqft home. Do you have a cyclotron in your basement? F #### Fred Bartoli Jan 1, 1970 0 Ralph Barone said: I don't want to go through the hassle of adding up all my bills (we don't get annualized totals), but I used approx 11,382 KWH in the last year, billed at$0.06/KWH for a 3,300 sqft home. Do you have a

He's designing low power CMOS

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#### Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bartoli wrote...
Ralph Barone wrote...

He's designing low power CMOS

He's using all the power himself that he's saved others
from using, with his low-power designs. It must be all
that right-wing hot air Jim spouts, it takes a lot of
electricity to heat it up and spew it out.

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...

Whoa!!!

We may pay more per kWhr, but we use a lot less electricity.
My yearly average for the last four years was 12172 kWhr/yr,*
less than 1/5x of what you use.

Apparently air conditioners are murder, when you have to
use them so much!

Yep. I have 2 5-ton units
We only run ours a few days each summer.
And I thought my hungry computers were a big problem. Whew!

* Works out to 1014 kWhr/mo, or 2.1 kW avg during a 16hr day.

Win, How about heating oil or gas? You don't heat with electricity
do you? (We're all-electric.)

...Jim Thompson

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#### martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...

Whoa!!!

We may pay more per kWhr, but we use a lot less electricity.
My yearly average for the last four years was 12172 kWhr/yr,*
less than 1/5x of what you use.

Apparently air conditioners are murder, when you have to
use them so much! We only run ours a few days each summer.
And I thought my hungry computers were a big problem. Whew!

* Works out to 1014 kWhr/mo, or 2.1 kW avg during a 16hr day.

Ye gods, I'm on about 344kWh/ month, it goes up a bit in jan/feb
though, and about 10Kg of butane a month for hot water

martin

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
For instance it was 79°F yesterday, but not for long enough to require
A/C... this house IS very well insulated.

You don't find 79F indefinitely tolerable? No wonder your bills are
high!

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#### Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,

This one is to finance subsidies for people who want to install solar on
their roof. Makes perfect sense but doing it via an extra tax burden is
what I consider wrong.

The money has to come from somewhere. It's an extra tax burden no
matter where it comes from.
We had a pretty balmy winter this year. Didn't even go through 1/3 of
our firewood yet.

It's been so warm I haven't even lit the wood stove yet. If it's
not below 0F I have to open windows. It's been hanging around 30F,
so no wood has been sacrificed.
Ours is 70's era. a whole lot of panoramic windows. Single pane, of
course...

Single pane in the '70s? Wow! Come to think of it, my house in NY
was single pane with aluminum storms (built in about '76). Of
course it was a cheap tract house.
We had considered a new house when moving here but then we just didn't
want to live in one of the master-planned suburbia type neighborhoods.
We like it more when it's natural.

I like paved roads, water, and sewer so there wasn't much choice.
I live in a subdivision on 1/2 acre, though the back is mostly
wooded.

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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You don't find 79F indefinitely tolerable? No wonder your bills are
high!

My optimum working temperature is 74°F ;-)

Actually NOT... 74°F is the "house" temperature... my office (due to a
bank of computers) is about 80°F. I'm considering adding a small A/C
unit just for the office.

79°F can become intolerable as the humidity rises... as it will in an
un-A/C'd house. You should see the buckets of water pouring out the
heat-exchanger drains, even here in Arizona.

Outdoors in Arizona 79°F is delightful... in fact maybe a little on
the cool side... in Boston it's a heat wave and the leftist weenies
cry for Federal help ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
79°F can become intolerable as the humidity rises... as it will in an
un-A/C'd house. You should see the buckets of water pouring out the
heat-exchanger drains, even here in Arizona.

Oh sure, put a fan in the window for comfort ventilation, but that's a
far different thing than running the A/C.

When you don't have central A/C installed and on at the touch of a
button, you learn about less drastic measures that can make a huge
difference. And if you finally break down and get a window A/C, you do
sensible things like hole up in room where it is when it's hot enough
to need it.

I finally bought a window A/C for my bedroom this last summer. And
even then, I probably lifted the window sash and inserted a little two
fan unit on top of it far more often than I actually used the A/C.

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] says... [snip]
Ours is 70's era. a whole lot of panoramic windows. Single pane, of
course...
[snip]

We have a 12' x 12' window on the north side of the great room looking
out on that desert hillside you've seen in some of the pictures I've
posted... but it's thermopane, as are all of the windows in the house.

And we also have a roll-a-shield that covers that window during
north-side sun.

My present house is MUCH better insulated than the ranch-style
flat-roofed house I lived in for 25 years. My electricity costs for
the 3000 sq.ft. house were TWICE what they are for my present 3650
sq.ft. house.

...Jim Thompson

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh sure, put a fan in the window for comfort ventilation, but that's a
far different thing than running the A/C.

When you don't have central A/C installed and on at the touch of a
button, you learn about less drastic measures that can make a huge
difference. And if you finally break down and get a window A/C, you do
sensible things like hole up in room where it is when it's hot enough
to need it.

I finally bought a window A/C for my bedroom this last summer. And
even then, I probably lifted the window sash and inserted a little two
fan unit on top of it far more often than I actually used the A/C.

But you don't have regular 115°F outdoor temperatures.

In 2005 we had roughly 130 straight days of temperatures in excess of
100°F... and we're about to surpass a record 101 days without rain.

See... http://www.ntc.blm.gov/basic/avg_temps.html

...Jim Thompson

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#### Robert Latest

Jan 1, 1970
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On 25 Jan 2006 19:37:43 -0800,
in Msg. said:
We may pay more per kWhr, but we use a lot less electricity.
My yearly average for the last four years was 12172 kWhr/yr,*
less than 1/5x of what you use.

And we use less than 1/6 of that: 1900 kWh (less than the average for
German 2-person households, which is 2300). Hamburg, Germany. Includes
washing machine, dishwasher, hot water, 2 computers (but no home
office). Heating and cooking with gas. Cost is about .15EUR/kWh.

We're in the process of switching to 100% regenerative electricity,
which will cost 1-2ct more.

robert

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#### Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005...

65,518KWH for $5,133.59 How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like Massachusetts? ...Jim Thompson$1800 or so here in Oregon, on a heat pump. We live in an almost-berm
house -- in the back the roof is only two feet above grade. Even with
some air leaks and aluminum frames on the double-paned windows the house
is well insulated enough that in spring and fall we basically don't see
either the heat or the cooling kick in.

Of course we augment this by opening the place up when the outside is in
the direction we want to go (summer nights and noon in the spring &
fall). We often see a 20 degree differential between in and out in the
summer, with no heat pump running.

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#### GregS

Jan 1, 1970
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Ye gods, I'm on about 344kWh/ month, it goes up a bit in jan/feb
though, and about 10Kg of butane a month for hot water

I'm paying about $40 a month for about 500 kWh/ month, which my bill seems low, and is about half what the electricity cost in my old house with a different company. Well thats about$.07 also per unit.

greg

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