# Annual Power Consumption Summary

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
But you don't have regular 115°F outdoor temperatures.

No, but I thought we were debating the necessity of A/C when the temp
is 79F?

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#### Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Keith,
The money has to come from somewhere. It's an extra tax burden no
matter where it comes from.

Yes, but it's a one-sided tax. Stuff like this means you can't plan
anything electrical. Years ago I was thinking about geothermal heating.
Now I am very happy to had switched the thought process to wood heating.
Got to remain independent these days.

The other rather dubious thing is that while California has a mandatory
2/3 majority approval by voters on any tax increases they constantly
circumvent that law by calling taxes differently. On this one they
completely bypassed the voters. It's wrong.

Regards, Joerg

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#### Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
We're in the process of switching to 100% regenerative electricity,

What's " 100% regenerative electricity " ?

Graham

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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No, but I thought we were debating the necessity of A/C when the temp
is 79F?

Recall I said I didn't turn it on ;-)

I note that Win has failed to report in on his HEATING costs... I
suspect his heating + electricity costs may rival mine.

...Jim Thompson

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Recall I said I didn't turn it on ;-)

Because it wasn't sustained at that temp. If it was, you apparently
would turn it on, wheras I probably wouldn't unless there was no way of
cross-ventilating the space.

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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What's " 100% regenerative electricity " ?

Graham

You put a magnet next to the meter to keep it from turning ?

...Jim Thompson

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#### Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...
Yep. I have 2 5-ton units

Whew, time to think about better insulation, low-E glass,
window shades, trees, attic fans, spaced walls, and etc.
Win, How about heating oil or gas? You don't heat with
electricity do you? (We're all-electric.)

Get a butane tank! We use electricity for hot water and
cooking, but heating is oil plus electric blower motors.
It's my estimation we need to dramatically lower our
consumption - my wife says our neighbors use less.

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#### Bo

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson said:
Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005...

65,518KWH for $5,133.59 How does that cost compare to annual costs in a cold climate, like Massachusetts? ...Jim Thompson Damn! that's an awfully high rate$0.127 per kwh. Even adjusting your
rates to $0.08 your bill is about 25-35% more than mine here in the deep south. You apparently engaged in inverted math... it's 7.835¢/KWH ;-) Where IS the "deep south" ?? You must have a big house? 3650sq.ft. single level However, I don't heat with electric so any comparison on total cost is pointless. But, man, the rates you pay.... that'd kill me. Paul ...Jim Thompson M #### Mark Jan 1, 1970 0 Jim, can you get peak kW billing in your area? When I lived in Phoenix, I had peak kW billing and a load sheder (sp?) and that saved me over$100 per month... I tried to hold the peaks to
5 to 7 kWh in any one hour....

look into it..

Mark

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#### Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...

About $1200 last year. This year, we'll see! J #### Jim Thompson Jan 1, 1970 0 Jim, can you get peak kW billing in your area? When I lived in Phoenix, I had peak kW billing and a load sheder (sp?) and that saved me over$100 per month... I tried to hold the peaks to
5 to 7 kWh in any one hour....

look into it..

Mark

I don't have a "shedder", but I have TOD (time-of-day), and I DO save
around $100/month in the summer. ...Jim Thompson M #### martin griffith Jan 1, 1970 0 Jim Thompson wrote... Whew, time to think about better insulation, low-E glass, window shades, trees, attic fans, spaced walls, and etc. Get a butane tank! We use electricity for hot water and cooking, but heating is oil plus electric blower motors. It's my estimation we need to dramatically lower our consumption - my wife says our neighbors use less. This is what I want to do http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/info/components/envelope/framing/strawbale.html. Tell the town hall its made out of straw, and they will think its a temporary constuction, and the taxes may be lower martin J #### Joerg Jan 1, 1970 0 Hello Winfield, Get a butane tank! ... And then they really have you over the barrel. We use(d) propane and one January years ago we got zinged with a$700+ bill. That did it. That is
when we installed a wood stove and a pellet stove. In consequence
heating costs dropped by more than 20dB. Instead of 68F with that stupid
2F hysteresis it's now usually 70F+ and very constant. This year cost is
going to be close to zilch since we had to take down some pines

Ok, let's see: Cutting was free (airport had to pay). $40 in gas and oil for the splitter and truck. Nice meal for the owners of the splitter (priceless).$10 in post-splitting beers. $120 worth of pellets for the pellet stove.$10 for the little stove fans. Guess we'll be under $200 this winter. Regards, Joerg J #### Joseph2k Jan 1, 1970 0 Joerg said: Hello Keith, Yes, but it's a one-sided tax. Stuff like this means you can't plan anything electrical. Years ago I was thinking about geothermal heating. Now I am very happy to had switched the thought process to wood heating. Got to remain independent these days. The other rather dubious thing is that while California has a mandatory 2/3 majority approval by voters on any tax increases they constantly circumvent that law by calling taxes differently. On this one they completely bypassed the voters. It's wrong. Regards, Joerg I currently live in the central valley (of CA of USA) (north of halfway) which is a pretty mild climate. Have previously lived LA, SD, and SJ of same state. What part do you live in? M #### Michael A. Terrell Jan 1, 1970 0 Joerg said: Hello Winfield, And then they really have you over the barrel. We use(d) propane and one January years ago we got zinged with a$700+ bill. That did it. That is
when we installed a wood stove and a pellet stove. In consequence
heating costs dropped by more than 20dB. Instead of 68F with that stupid
2F hysteresis it's now usually 70F+ and very constant. This year cost is
going to be close to zilch since we had to take down some pines

Ok, let's see: Cutting was free (airport had to pay). $40 in gas and oil for the splitter and truck. Nice meal for the owners of the splitter (priceless).$10 in post-splitting beers. $120 worth of pellets for the pellet stove.$10 for the little stove fans. Guess we'll be under $200 this winter. Regards, Joerg Not to mention, you have the perfect place to get rid of Junk mail and old catalogs! -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida P #### Pooh Bear Jan 1, 1970 0 Jim said: Just received my Annual Power Consumption Summary for 2005... 65,518KWH for$5,133.59

Just how do you manage to get through so much energy ? Do you have an
idea of how it breaks down by usage ?

Graham

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#### Robert Latest

Jan 1, 1970
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:33:39 +0000,
in Msg. said:
What's " 100% regenerative electricity " ?

Electricity produced from regenerative sources such as wind, hydro,
biomass, PV.

Essentially it means CO2-neutral.

robert

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#### Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Winfield Hill wrote...
Jim Thompson wrote...

About \$1200 last year. This year, we'll see!

Which means my heat + electricity was under half the cost of
your electricity alone. I'm not impressed by insulation
problems with 115F hot and 75 inside, because it's analogous
to 28F cold with 68 inside. Either way the house insulation
has to withstand a 40F difference. My house has a similar
area to yours, but it's on 3 floors (including full basement),
which greatly cuts down on insulation losses. Stretched-out
single-floor homes don't make good thermal sense to me. I
also wonder if homes aren't just better insulated here in NE.

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