another newbie, what to do with this Brinks alarm system?

[Mark Leuck]

This week's contestants are:

Frank Olson (poor Frank. I know it's going to be Frank. Turn the ringer
OFF Frank)

PeteM (who he can share political beliefs with in 2 different
languages)

Jack Stevens (he doesn't have Jack's number but anyone who answers
whatever number he dials for Jack will suffice)

Jim Rojas (to discuss the economic contributions of the Latino
community in the South, and how he admires Jim for overcoming being a
Puerto Rican and opening a business non-bodega oriented)

Robert Bass (who Graham will ask spiritual advice from, and then redial
ten minutes later calling his wife illegal, to be followed by another
call claiming he never called at all, to be followed by a post in here
accusing Bass of calling him)

Suicide Prevention (who will put Graham on hold after he threatens to
swallow a bottle of Flintstone Vitamins)

and Allan Waghalter (because with a name like Waghalter it's a slam
dunk finding him in a phone book)

Winners to receive round trip tickets to Radio Shack where they can buy
a Caller ID.

Oh sure leave me out...jeez

 

[Mark Leuck]

Yeah... That's right you prick. I trusted you, and you betrayed that
trust. I thought that a disagreement (or battle) online would not
break that trust. I was wrong.

I used to admire you for your accomplishments, that's why I sought
your advice. Now that I see what you are I realize that RLB didn't
just "grab it out of the air" either when he spoke of you.

You're a mean spirited person. Had you really read what I wrote you
would have realized all my references to your kin were hypothetical,
and in direct response to a hypothetical situation. You jumped the
gun and went way beyond acceptable boundaries. Your attack was
unfounded.

**** You. Filter me if you want. I'm no longer friendly.

Leucks rule of life #3: Don't call someone you you don't really know while
drunk and spill your life's story

 

[Robert L Bass]

Yeah... That's right you prick. I trusted you, and you betrayed that
Turnaround's a jiminex, isn't it?

Actually, I was about to tell Fowler that I was wrong about him.

In this newsgroup that's a compliment.

And you've no experience at all in posting unfounded, unwarranted attacks?


Your idea of being a friend is more like a parasite.

 

[alarman]

No,

You short the contact lead at the window before the contact, it works
no matter how many are on the loop. (if you're planning on opening
that window)

Yes.

You said:
Think about knocking out a brick under a window and putting hemostats
on the wire, BEFORE it reaches the contact and you'll see why EOLR's
are useful.

I said:
Yes, but only if each window is zoned separately.

If 5 windows are on a zone, each window home-run to the panel, and the eol
is at window 5, you could short any other contact using your example, and
disable that window. The eol supervision, for the purposes of detecting a
short as in your example, only holds for window 5. Hence, my assertion that
eol supervision is only in effect if all windows are separately zoned, given
the scope of your example.
js

 

[alarman]

heh..I don't disagree. I had a guy abt a year ago, pissing and moaning he
had ("HAD" mind you) to spend 70K on landscaping and has an absolute hissy
freekin fit when I told him it would cost him 1500. to trim out the alarm
we
had prewired for. He went with some mojo satlink skylink something or
other
wireless (in spite of the fact we did a beautiful prewire) - makes me cry.
Except for the fact that his landscaping is butt **** UGLY. My partner and
I
laugh everytime we drive by his house.

Sounds like he did you a favor.
js

 

[Doug]

Yep, that's an all too common occurence.

Doug

On 03 Nov 2006 16:08:46 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote:

 

[alarman]

A burglar alarm does not guarantee a family's safety. That's a
terrible perception that depends on the public's misinformed ideas
about how residential burglar alarm systems work and the effectiveness
of police agencies that usually despise the alarm companies who waste
police resources with a 90% false alarm rate. Your not protecting
your family with a $30 a month burglar alarm system. All you're doing
is giving yourself a false sense of security.

Funny, thats not what the ADT commercial advertises. All those ones and
zeros forming a protective barrier, even their slogan "always there". And
btw, it's largely the fault of ADT and other lick and stick give aways that
the market has been swamped with poorly installed, false alarm generating
systems.

Almost all residential
alarm signals are false alarms. The vast majority of alarm company
generated police dispatches are for false alarms.

Again, thanks in large part to ADT and others who put RMR above all else.

Alarm calls receive
the lowest police dispatch priority.

No they don't. They fall in between priority one calls and cold crimes where
no suspect info is known.

Some jurisdictions have stopped
responding to alarm signals at all. Others charge a permitting fee
and a steep false alarm penalty. You can debate the reasons for this
and who's fault it is, but the fact remains, this industry depends on
a misguided public perception of mysterious, circling 1's and 0's that
protect families with magical powers and instantaneous response from
concerned law enforcement. This is what is shown on television
commercials and what the alarm salesmen tell the unsuspecting public.

Ah, the ADT commercial.

The good news is that there is pressure on the industry to fix this.
There are emerging technologies such as video analytics that could
replace traditional security systems with much more reliable
technology. The false alarm penalties and third party alarm response
laws will force the trunkslammers and zero down marketers to rethink
their strategies.

Where do you get the stones? Your company has totally fucked up this
industry, and it's perception by public and police. Now you have the
chutzpah to say:

"The good news is that there is pressure on the industry to fix this.
There are emerging technologies such as video analytics that could
replace traditional security systems with much more reliable
technology. The false alarm penalties and third party alarm response
laws will force the trunkslammers and zero down marketers to rethink
their strategies."

So, you're done pissing on the industry, and like a dog you kick dirt on it
and move on down the block, never looking back. Great.

My guess is that we'll see the most radical shift
that we've ever experiences in this industry within the next 5 to 10
years. With IT companies like IBM and Cisco wanted part of the
security integration market, it's just a matter of time before someone
comes alaong and does it better that what we have right now. It's
already started in the high end goverment/ industrial markets.

I have to agree with that, there is a lot of room for improvement.
js

 

[alarman]

On 3 Nov 2006 18:27:25 -0800, "Everywhere Man" <[email protected]>
Lookie here Bitch...

You come meet me somewhere. Do it now.

Oooh. Kin I watch??
js

 

[Everywhere Man]

Tell ya what,


Why don't you ask Kelby? <
OK

Get back to me on that one.<

No problem. Should I get back to you at your parents home, or is this
address still good?

Jeffrey Morgan
937 Red Bird Ln
Allen, TX 75013-4887
(972) 359-0094

He's also a lawyer, btw. <

Yeah and?

Have another drink, Jeffy.

 

[Frank Olson]

One of the people who posts here has copied the original FAQ for the newsgroup

The Group's FAQ can be found here:

http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm

 

[Everywhere Man]

You failed to answer my challenge, puss. <

Challenge? LOL I'm shitting in my pants.

Anytime- I'll give you what's coming.. <

Sure you will. Have another drink. Work up that internet courage.
It's going to be a very long weekend for a head case like you worrying
who might call who, and what they might talk about. With your history
of job loss (at least 9 in 9 years) it's no surprise you'd be scared,
but then again FEAR is why you're on meds. Well, FEAR and DEPRESSION.
Now if there were ever two words that least described a MAN it would be
those two.
Man alive that package store owner will see you so much this weekend
he'll think he's starring in Groundhog Day Part 2.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Ha!

What's 1&2?

Buy the book when it comes out and you'll find out, or wait for the movie

 

[J.]

Where do you get the stones? Your company has totally fucked up this
industry, and it's perception by public and police. Now you have the
chutzpah to say:

It's not my company. I don't own it. The work that I do doesn't have
anything to do with the low down residential lick and stick 2 doors
and a motion illusion of security that's sold by ADT dealers and their
corporate high volume residential program. You're right about one
thing, they're in business to make money and nothing else. ANSC or
RMR as you call it, is king. Of course, long term profitability does
require some level of competence, and ADT has been making money for a
long time. Personally, I'm in business to make enough money to buy
the things I need to support my family and hopefully retire before I
hit 70. Hopefully ADT/ Tyco does well and my stock earns a decent
return.

I know a lot of people in this industry working for a whole lot of
different companies. You can bash ADT all you want, but the vast
majority of local and regional companies do business just like ADT.
They use the same type of equipment. The monitoring procedures are
the same. The pricing is very similar. Contract language is the
same. The systems perform the same way. What make's you so
different?

 

[Crash Gordon]

absolutely.
then he had the nerve to call and ask us how to hook up his audio equipment
to our prewire....jerk.
i swear i'm gonna install a 900 number for people like that to call into.


| | > heh..I don't disagree. I had a guy abt a year ago, pissing and moaning
he
| > had ("HAD" mind you) to spend 70K on landscaping and has an absolute
hissy
| > freekin fit when I told him it would cost him 1500. to trim out the
alarm
| > we
| > had prewired for. He went with some mojo satlink skylink something or
| > other
| > wireless (in spite of the fact we did a beautiful prewire) - makes me
cry.
| > Except for the fact that his landscaping is butt **** UGLY. My partner
and
| > I
| > laugh everytime we drive by his house.
|
| Sounds like he did you a favor.
| js
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

Yah, but it's gonna cost you 499 per month


| | > On 3 Nov 2006 18:27:25 -0800, "Everywhere Man" <[email protected]>
| > Lookie here Bitch...
| >
| > You come meet me somewhere. Do it now.
|
| Oooh. Kin I watch??
| js
|
|

 

[Don]

hope you got paid enuf for the prewire

 

[alarman]

It's not my company. I don't own it. The work that I do doesn't have
anything to do with the low down residential lick and stick 2 doors
and a motion illusion of security that's sold by ADT dealers and their
corporate high volume residential program. You're right about one
thing, they're in business to make money and nothing else. ANSC or
RMR as you call it, is king. Of course, long term profitability does
require some level of competence, and ADT has been making money for a
long time. Personally, I'm in business to make enough money to buy
the things I need to support my family and hopefully retire before I
hit 70. Hopefully ADT/ Tyco does well and my stock earns a decent
return.

I know a lot of people in this industry working for a whole lot of
different companies. You can bash ADT all you want, but the vast
majority of local and regional companies do business just like ADT.
They use the same type of equipment. The monitoring procedures are
the same. The pricing is very similar. Contract language is the
same. The systems perform the same way. What make's you so
different?

Well, I care about the quality of the systems I install. Those systems are
reliable, and not prone to false alarm. I answer the telephone when people
call for service, even after hours. I look for ways to keep my costs down do
that I do not have to raise my monitoring prices every year. I don't promise
people things only to take it away with the small print in a contract. I
show up on time. I don't make people wait two weeks for service, and then
send out some dope who doesn't know what he's doing.
Shall I go on??
js

 

[alarman]

absolutely.
then he had the nerve to call and ask us how to hook up his audio
equipment
to our prewire....jerk.
i swear i'm gonna install a 900 number for people like that to call into.

Wouldn't work. People like that will call the number, then dispute the
charge on their credit card.
js

 

[alarman]

Yah, but it's gonna cost you 499 per month

LOL Pay per View. Watch Tom stomp the dogshit out of Graham every Tuesday.
Two shows on Sunday.
js

 

[news.comcast.net]

Now that I see what you are I realize that RLB didn't

So when you drunk dial him tonight the both of you can discuss what a
nasty bastard I am....

Actually, I was thinking how I'd been wrong about you... and that has
nothing to do with Cracker. It has more to do with the fact that you alone
among a certain group have shown some humanity.

'Nuff said (maybe not. I've got to think about some stuff)