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Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop?

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Jack

Jan 1, 1970
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Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all
being thieves and crooks!
 
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Dbowey

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey Jack, I see you splattered this crap over several boards. I guess that
makes you not only a potential thief and crook, but also, a definite dumbass.
(and as posted elsewhere, a Troll).

Don
 
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Neil

Jan 1, 1970
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With a attitude like that...your group will die off pretty quickly. Without
new "stupid" blood, that need knowledgeable people to help them
along......there will be no one left in the hobby.
Instead of sitting around as a group bitching about the fact the Radio Shack
no longer sells components...and that manufacturers no longer sell
schematics, or make machines that can be fixed instead of throwing out,
maybe groups like this can help keep the hobby alive.
Go ahead and make you little group of "skilled professionals"...it'll be
pretty boring....since all of you will be so skilled, no one will need to
ask any questions...or will you all be on such a high plane of existence
that you will all be communicating telepathically?.
Kim
 
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JURB6006

Jan 1, 1970
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I dunno what it takes to start a newsgroup, but I've also though about this.
Strictly advanced troubleshooting. I know this NG is way too busy and there are
basically a few ways to fix it.

One way would be for the real techs to use a subject line that we all
recognize. Another might be to actually start a new NG something like:
alt.advanced.brownware.techsonly.info. Give the people about 5 levels to go
through. Of course any of us could come back here, offer up anything we have
the time for for the novice, or even the consumer. We could also weed out the
real techs and tell them about the special header or the other NG.

A few people in here do spend some time telling people to forget about fixing
it themselves, I among them. I was also thinking about a website with
information on how to get into the service menu on newer sets, but the people
around here pretty much talked me out of it. Nobody wants to fight the
circuitry and then find that their conclusions were wrong because somebody
screwed up the settings.

Now if we could protect such a site, even by just having a wierd URL and not
registering it with Google etc., no metanames, none of that, we might be safe.
When I posted that idea, someone suggested that I might even get sued, not by a
manufacturer, but by a customer that screwed his TV up ! In today's day and age
it is possible. Too bad I don't drink McDonalds coffee or I might be a
milionaire !

As a tech, you know what you changed and what it affects, ergo you know what
settings to modify, but to order a sevice manual just for that is not cost
effective unless you see alot of that unit. We troubleshoot by getting the
pinout of the ICs etc., and have at it. A saw my first Advent TV and couldn't
for the life of me get the pinout of the chopper IC, then I found out at the
time the website wasn't well protected and just anyone could DL the print.
Unfortunately they have fixed that. Why ? If the customer has a look at a print
for a modern set he is almost sure to take it into a shop for service.

As for your question, yes, I am a real tech who works for a real shop. I would
love not to have my posts six pages down in two days. How about :
alt.voltages.waveforms.readings.intemittents.help.advanced ? We would just have
to tell each other about it.

JURB
 
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Nate Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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You know, electronics is a profession for few and a hobby for many...
sometimes we do have to ask what others see as a stupid question.
Life is a quest for knowledge, it would appear that Jack here is too
selfish to share the TINY amount of knowledge that he may possess...
Get a freaking life... If you don't have the time to deal with
non-professional questions, don't answer them... Quit the Pissing and
Moaning!

J
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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Jack said:
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all
being thieves and crooks!


There's lots of "real" techs on here, your attitude doesn't exactly inspire
confidence from the hobbiests though.
 
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Chris

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't know of anybody that was born with this kind of technical knowledge
or experience. The only way to get to the level you're talking of is to ask
stupid questions and make stupid mistakes. Any tech who says that they were
never like this is a liar.
I don't mind answering questions regardless of how stupid. I do get fed up
with the attitude of those that believe that all that is needed is a
soldering iron. These are usually the ones that complain the most because
they don't believe that troubleshooting is a skill and that an understanding
of electronics is a necessity. There are quite a few people like that on
this group and I won't help them. I figure that letting them screw it up
more will require them to bring it in for service where the real tech will
ultimately ask what creature has been brandishing a blowtorch against the
boards or who has been demonstrating their knowledge of the deadly short
circuit technique. It's quite an awakening for them when they find that
their technical skills has tripled the cost of the repair. But there are
those that never learn.....
This forum is fine. I have little problems with it. And I enjoy helping
those who respect the trade and are interested, even as a hobbiest.
 
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Leonard G. Caillouet

Jan 1, 1970
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You might try the Techassist or Anatek listserves if you want to avoid the
consumer questions. You will still find a lot of dumb posts, but none from
consumers and hobbiests. There are hundreds of techs that work together to
solve problems and share information daily. With your attitude you will be
a prime candidate for my delete file, however.

By the way, the rep that our profession has for crooks and thieves is well
deserved. There are relatively few techs that I know who would make the cut
in my shop in terms of ethics or ability, and few shops that I would
recommend. You make this better by being open and honest with consumers and
giving them good advice, not avoiding them. One of the things that makes a
good tech IMO is the ability to relate positively with even the most stupid,
arrogant, or demanding consumers and make them into loyal customers by
giving them a good value in service.

Leonard Caillouet
 
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Mark

Jan 1, 1970
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Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?

Your apparent definition of "real techs" is myopic and
inane.
--
Mark

The truth as I perceive it to be.
Your perception may be different.

Triple Z is spam control.
 
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Fred

Jan 1, 1970
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ya know, one day I hope I meet you looking for directions in a foregin
country, I'll just tell you to ask a travel agent, make sure you take your
AMEX card with you
Blah!!
 
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Ken G.

Jan 1, 1970
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Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .
 
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Sam Goldwasser

Jan 1, 1970
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Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .

Wrong type nail. :)

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Franc Zabkar

Jan 1, 1970
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Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types
looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture,
blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real
tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to
teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to
exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do
we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop
owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people.
Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any
real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's
help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all
being thieves and crooks!

I don't think there is any need for a new group or forum. There are
enough professional technicians participating in this group to make it
worthwhile as it is. However, I do sympathize with you to some extent,
especially when one sees posts from people who are obviously out of
their depth. I think the best approach for these newcomers is to
direct them to the Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ, with appropriate
disclaimers, warnings, etc, etc. In my own case I've posted basic
(possibly ignorant?) questions to other newsgroups and have generally
been treated kindly by the knowledgeable regulars.


- Franc Zabkar
 
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warren weber

Jan 1, 1970
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Ken G. said:
Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now
there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv
teknishun .
Ken>>> Haven't you learned any thing yet? You use a COATED nail. They have
higher resistance and act as a variac so you can trouble shoot with out
smoke. Warren
 
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Chris

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds like you got a bad batch of fuses. They're all shorted. Go to the
fuse mfgr and tell them that their crappy shorted fuses destroyed your tv
and that you want them to replace the tv because the fuses shorted it out.
It must be the fuse because the nail doesn't blow out.
 
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CPT

Jan 1, 1970
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I agree with chris i had some bad fuses that would only alow current
to flow through them if i wrapped foil around them so I think you have
something to go on. I never tried a nail sounds like a good idea
though......
 
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'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutio

Jan 1, 1970
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"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles?
Let's help each other so we can help others ...."

That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new
group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with
service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ???

'nControl!® Service Management Software
http://www.servicersolutions.com
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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"'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com"
"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles?
Let's help each other so we can help others ...."

That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new
group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with
service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ???

'nControl!® Service Management Software
http://www.servicersolutions.com

Well there's some groups on yahoogroups, I haven't checked them out yet, but
it'd be easy enough to boot out anyone who shouldn't be there.
 
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Leonard Caillouet

Jan 1, 1970
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There are already quite a few out there.

Try Techassist or Anatek for a couple of listserves that are more useful.

Leonard Caillouet

"'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com"
 
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