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Art of Electronics, 3rd edition ?

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Bob Engelhardt

Jan 1, 1970
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Last I heard, it was targeted for early 2010. Any recent news? Bob
 
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Martin Riddle

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob Engelhardt said:
Last I heard, it was targeted for early 2010. Any recent news? Bob

Hill has been strangely absent for some time, working hard on it I
guess.

Cheers
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes' Lever said:

A real academic crime wave.
However, I suppose it might be tempting for a poverty stricken student,
but reading scanned pages on a computer is crap. I don't know about the
other books, but the AoE in PDF is worse than photocopies.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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but reading scanned pages on a computer is crap.


I doubt that ANY of those are scanned.

You can buy most of those books in that format.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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A real academic crime wave.
However, I suppose it might be tempting for a poverty stricken student,
but reading scanned pages on a computer is crap. I don't know about the
other books, but the AoE in PDF is worse than photocopies.


Hey, I just did a google hunt, I don't make the files.
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Martin Riddle said:
Hill has been strangely absent for some time, working hard on it I
guess.

Or not. With every delay new stuff gets invented that should go in
there and other stuff is obsolete. Besides with all the information on
the internet you don't really need a book like AoE anyway.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico said:
Or not. With every delay new stuff gets invented that should go in
there and other stuff is obsolete. Besides with all the information on
the internet you don't really need a book like AoE anyway.

By that reasoning, you don't need any technical book or textbook, ever.
All one has to do is sort through the zillions of web pages, discard the
crap (whatever that is), and then memorize the data.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
 
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Tim Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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I've done remarkably well for myself that way.

Note: "discard the crap (whatever that is)" is tempered with actual
on-the-bench experience.

I honestly don't have many books. I learned the basics from a few, a whole
hell of a lot more from the bench, and the rest I look up on the internet.

Tim
 
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Rich Webb

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:41:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje

[snippety snip]
In the old days there were the hobby magazines, not sure many still exists,
we had 'Radio Electronica' and Elektuur' in the Netherlands, same as 'Elector' I think.
There was 'Wireless World', and some more, 'Radio Bulletin', what not.
Do any of these still exist? Elector does I think.

Indeed. They're teaming up with Circuit Cellar, to give Elektor a
presence over here and also for CC over in the EC.

http://www.circuitcellar.com/archives/priorityinterrupt/234.html
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan Panteltje said:
It depends where you start.
If you have already an education in electronics and perhaps also math,
yes then you can get most of the web, and filter the crap automatically.
If you are a kid and know little about the stuff, you will be lost.
You can still learn from projects that you build from diagrams you find, though.

In the old days there were the hobby magazines, not sure many still exists,
we had 'Radio Electronica' and Elektuur' in the Netherlands, same as 'Elector' I think.
There was 'Wireless World', and some more, 'Radio Bulletin', what not.
Do any of these still exist? Elector does I think.

Elektor/Elektuur still exists. They publish just as many crap circuits
as you can find on the internet. The basic rule is: if you don't
understand how a circuit works don't build it! Otherwise you'll get
burned sooner or later.
I do not have AOE, maybe if it appears as free downloadable pdf I will have a look.

That would be a waste of time IMHO. AoE just doesn't cut it. To high
level for beginners and too low level for designers. I'd recommend AoE
to an R&D manager like Dilbert's boss.
 
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pimpom

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan said:
On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:58:23 -0600) it happened
"Tim



It depends where you start.
If you have already an education in electronics and perhaps
also math,
yes then you can get most of the web, and filter the crap
automatically.
If you are a kid and know little about the stuff, you will be
lost.
You can still learn from projects that you build from diagrams
you
find, though.

In the old days there were the hobby magazines, not sure many
still
exists,
we had 'Radio Electronica' and Elektuur' in the Netherlands,
same as
'Elector' I think.
There was 'Wireless World', and some more, 'Radio Bulletin',
what not.
Do any of these still exist? Elector does I think.
I simply never go to a bookshop or newsstand these days:)
Even the news is electronically, with a much broader spectrum
then
the old local news paper had. Go short on printing presses...
LOL
Usenet also helps, lots of people will help you and point out
your
errors.
I do not have AOE, maybe if it appears as free downloadable pdf
I
will have a look.
Already noticed some pages of it are on google.
Interesting.

I subscribed to the Indian edition of the English version of
Elektor until they stopped publishing the Indian edition some 10
years ago. I consider the web to be a complement to books, not a
complete substitute. The web is great for looking up specific
bits of information, but not that great as a general reference.

I used to do a lot of repair work in the past - on consumer,
medical and industrial products. More often than not, I had to
work on products I'd never seen before or, in many cases, even
heard of. The few times a schematic is available, I find the
European style of presenting diagrams very inconvenient. I mean
the habit of putting only a small section of the whole thing on
one page, making it necessary to hunt for the page where line D37
goes. It may be OK for a company-trained service engineer who
already has a good overall familiarity with the product, but not
for someone trying to figure out how the damn thing works. I
liken the web to those European-style diagrams.
 
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xray

Jan 1, 1970
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Maybe he's just fed up with Jim Thompson and his band of idiots.
They've destroyed this N.G.

So true. The lunatics are running the asylum.

I used to monitor the group to learn, and occasionally share, but things
became very ugly when Jim went psycho between 9/11 and the 2004
elections.

He's obviously a corrupting influence here, but he doesn't want for gang
members and lap dogs who contribute to the decline of this group. I can
only tolerate a quick browse through here now, once every few months,
and that is usually hard to stomach.

I remember Win trying to have reasonable discussions but Jim being an
insulting asshole of megalomaniacal proportions, as he predictably is to
anyone who doesn't buy into his peculiar world view. Perhaps he was
snubbed by elitist Bostonian weenies back when he was young and barely
out of the hills of West Virginia (or was it Kentucky, I forget) and he
still holds a grudge.

Jim has appointed himself the Rupert Murdoch of SED except that he is
also like a Glen Bleck or Rush Limbarf, front-line, thug / dancing
clown.

It feels like a 50's or 60's high school movie where the delinquents are
controlling the school, except our disruptive rebels average out in
their 60's age wise. Arrgh!

Little wonder we haven't seen anyone as decent and sensible as Win
around here anymore. As a Bob Dylan lyric once said, "Anyone with any
sense had already left town."


P.S., On this pass through, I did stumble on an interesting link that
pointed me at help toward a solution to something that I was looking
for. It's nice that there still are a percentage of on-topic posts that
get a bit of good discussion before they take off on some orthogonal
tangent.

And there are quite a number of people still hanging out here who
maintain a high level of purpose and sanity. Kudos to you!

Even many of the rebel rumblers also post good stuff between the OT
episodes. Don't let the Off-Topic devils tempt you. There are other
places to exorcise or exercise your demons. Remember back to when you
were innocent witnesses of the circuits and physics. My brethren, come
back to the electromagnetic and photon flow. Cast off the politics and
egotistical ramblings. Call not your brother a leftist weenie nor a tea
bagging nazi. Let logic, rationality and common decency once again come
to the fore.

It's for our mutual health. Try to care. Weather the storm, be it hot or
cold. (A lame parting shot, perhaps. Wrong. Forgive me.)
 
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life imitates life

Jan 1, 1970
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True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts
have improved my design skills.

I will say no more on this topic.

Well stated, sir.
 
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StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt

Jan 1, 1970
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...Jim Thompson


Arrogant asshole. By your own logic, You have become so juvenile that
you shouldn't post at all.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Jim said:
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson

[snip]
xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years,
so I'm just now seeing this diatribe.

WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution?

I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-(

Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT
MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER.
True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts
have improved my design skills.

I will say no more on this topic.
You would restrict my freedom of speech?

Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an
occasional typo ?:)

I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of
course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic
actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should
have been posted in sci.electronics.basics

Sometimes I think we need a newsgroup to
point some people to.

I notice these whiners never mention Dimbulb, Sloman or EEyore.

Of course not. The dweebs need their messiahs to look up to... the
super dweebs need Win Hill ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah.
He merely co-authored the best and most accessible general electronics
book for decades.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson

[snip]

xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years,
so I'm just now seeing this diatribe.

WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution?

I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-(

Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT
MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER.

True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts
have improved my design skills.

I will say no more on this topic.

You would restrict my freedom of speech?

Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an
occasional typo ?:)

I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of
course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic
actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should
have been posted in sci.electronics.basics


Sometimes I think we need a newsgroup to
point some people to.

I notice these whiners never mention Dimbulb, Sloman or EEyore.

Of course not. The dweebs need their messiahs to look up to... the
super dweebs need Win Hill ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Why don't you and Terrell get a room?

We don't need to see you licking each others' balls in the technical
groups.
 
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