# Art of Electronics Rave - NON Politix! :-)

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#### Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't know if I've mentioned that I finally went and checked out a copy
of AoE from the local library. Well, not actually all that local - it was
about half-way to Corona - But anyway, I've just got to the part about the
R-2R ladder, and I _finally_ "get" how those suckers work!

Thank you, Win Hill and Paul Horowitz!

Cheers!
Rich

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#### JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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library...not actually all that local...half-way to Corona
Rich Grise

Placentia?

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#### John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't know if I've mentioned that I finally went and checked out a copy
of AoE from the local library. Well, not actually all that local - it was
about half-way to Corona - But anyway, I've just got to the part about the
R-2R ladder, and I _finally_ "get" how those suckers work!

Thank you, Win Hill and Paul Horowitz!

Cheers!
Rich

Hey, buy the damned book. It's worth it.

Ugly grey color, though.

John

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#### JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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AoE
Ugly grey color
John larkin
I always thought the gray made it look serious
--or did I miss the pot-boiler parts?

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#### john jardine

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
Hey, buy the damned book. It's worth it.

Ugly grey color, though.

John
Don't know about your neck of the woods but the one I saw this afternoon
browsing the shelves of a new bookshop, was on sale at £50.00. Unless an
individual is very well financed then it is simply not affordable. What
price knowledge?.
That book was one of a selection of 12 electronics books and 15 maths books.
They sat next to the racks containing 700 programme users books (yep I
counted 'em and why does a Cisco router course need a total of 6000 pages?).
These in turn sat next to the 'philosophy' section containing a staggering
820 books!.
The magazine area held about 2000 titles. Not one electronics mag' but
spoilt for choice if I was a bartender or flower arranger.

The future is here, looking decidedly rosy and good for business .
regards
john

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#### John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Don't know about your neck of the woods but the one I saw this afternoon
browsing the shelves of a new bookshop, was on sale at £50.00. Unless an
individual is very well financed then it is simply not affordable. What
price knowledge?.
That book was one of a selection of 12 electronics books and 15 maths books.
They sat next to the racks containing 700 programme users books (yep I
counted 'em and why does a Cisco router course need a total of 6000 pages?).
These in turn sat next to the 'philosophy' section containing a staggering
820 books!.
The magazine area held about 2000 titles. Not one electronics mag' but
spoilt for choice if I was a bartender or flower arranger.

The future is here, looking decidedly rosy and good for business .
regards
john

Recently cruised the Computers section of Borders Books. There were
precisely ZERO books on the hardware of computing, and thousands on
software. A shrink-wrapped set of "Microsoft .NET Foundation" took an
entire shelf section by itself, roughly 8000 pages, for a mere $240. Makes me nostalgic for the days when mere mortals could write programs. John M #### mc Jan 1, 1970 0 Recently cruised the Computers section of Borders Books. There were precisely ZERO books on the hardware of computing, and thousands on software. A shrink-wrapped set of "Microsoft .NET Foundation" took an entire shelf section by itself, roughly 8000 pages, for a mere$240.

Makes me nostalgic for the days when mere mortals could write
programs.

You still can. Get any version of any subset of Visual Studio (even the $99 single-language one) and lots and lots of documentation is on disk -- everything you need. I think it's also on the web. How does Microsoft sell those enormous boxed sets of books? J #### JeffM Jan 1, 1970 0 half-way to Corona Hacienda Heights. Rich Grise That was my 2nd guess. C #### Clarence_A Jan 1, 1970 0 "John Larkin" wrote British Pounds? Ouch. I guess WH needs the money pretty bad after all. That is used. Funny but the used book stores around here won't buy the things even in new condition. List price new on Amazon the "Art of Electronics" is$75.99 USD +
shipping.

Rather much for a collection of app notes, component specs, and
simple descriptions. It was written about 1980 and much of it is
dated. (style mostly)

When a local tech school closed, I was given three cases of this
book about four years ago, found five people who wanted one, and
gave them each one. Tried to sell the rest to a used book store
and he offered to "take them" since they "wouldn't sell anyway."
So I recycled them. Should have offered them to this group. You
seem to go for anything! I looked through one, and chucked it
into the recycle bin with the rest. Not much there as compared to
a good engineering handbook! I do remember that the section on
Microcomputers was rather brief. But since I haven't seen one in
several years, I really do not remember what there was in it. All
real simple stuff though.

Oh yes, R-2R ladders. Used them in A/D and D/A converters back in
1961. For NASA and the Airforce as I remember. Used to have to
build your own you know, they were not always little black beans!

I think the Radio Amateurs Handbook is a better book to start
with. Real projects to build and good explanations.

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#### JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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Clarence_A
Second Edition (c) 1989

and much of it is dated
Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion.

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#### Rick

Jan 1, 1970
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john jardine said:
Don't know about your neck of the woods but the one I saw this afternoon
browsing the shelves of a new bookshop, was on sale at ?50.00. Unless an
individual is very well financed then it is simply not affordable. What
price knowledge?.

Hmmph - I was recently quoted 170 UKP (about $300) for a copy of an out-of-print technical book. A #### Al Borowski Jan 1, 1970 0 Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion. How about any of the scores of cheap, powerful flash microcontrollers with more perihperals then you can shake a stick at. cheers, Al C #### Clarence_A Jan 1, 1970 0 JeffM said: Second Edition (c) 1989 No: Second edition (c) 1980, last printing 1989. That is on several of the sites where the book is offered for sale. J #### JeffM Jan 1, 1970 0 Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion. How about any of the scores of cheap, powerful flash microcontrollers with more [peripherals] [than] you can shake a stick at. Al Borowski Chapter 11; Figure 8.86 (and I didn't mean re-invented). C #### Clarence_A Jan 1, 1970 0 JeffM said: Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion. JeffM How about any of the scores of cheap, powerful flash microcontrollers with more [peripherals] [than] you can shake a stick at. Al Borowski Chapter 11; Figure 8.86 (and I didn't mean re-invented). Great sense of humor. >) I wonder how many of the parts listed can even be bought now? C #### Clarence_A Jan 1, 1970 0 Al Borowski said: inclusion. How about any of the scores of cheap, powerful flash microcontrollers with more perihperals then you can shake a stick at. cheers, Al The main dating was "style" as I said! However I second the motion that good coverage of current microcontrolers would be a great benefit to most people. Particularly some discussion of structured (& modular) programming techniques for beginning programmers. Also software test methods. Adding an array of (industry available) suggestions for interfaces and applications would also be good and these are already written so there would only be publishing rights to negotiate. I believe that in the amplifier section the "floating Paraphrase Amplifier" connection was omitted. That circuit is not new, but the old version was tubes. I know it is a handy implementation because I have used it many times. Also the amplifier zero offset correction circuit might be of use. Under breadboarding or construction or whatever he called it. How to layout a modern breadboard (surface components) Proper soldering techniques and rework methods for the student. and proper care of the tools, something which is rarely in any book (except the Radio Amateur Handbook). I'm sure there are many other things, but I dumped the only copy I had because it wasn't useful to me, so I can not review it until Rich returns the library copy. But I am not too interested in the book myself. So I will probably use my time on something constructive instead. S #### Spehro Pefhany Jan 1, 1970 0 You still can. Get any version of any subset of Visual Studio (even the$99
single-language one) and lots and lots of documentation is on disk --
everything you need. I think it's also on the web. How does Microsoft sell
those enormous boxed sets of books?

Some people just deal better with paper books. \$240 isn't much for
something that you are going to be spending hours and hours with (no
hooker jokes, please). I prefer them (books), but not to the point of
wanting to pay for them and store them (in most cases- I still have
about 60 linear feet of bookshelves and quite a few files close at
hand, with much, much more in the archives). My two 20" 1600x1200 LCD
panels are still not enough resolution and the reading position is not
optimal in all cases. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, I met a young
entrepreneur this week who reads using a projector aimed up at the
ceiling in his bedroom (or so he says, I've only seen his pretty-much
paper-free office/lab).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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#### Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:29:15 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

[snip]
Some people just deal better with paper books.

Same here.

[snip]
My two 20" 1600x1200 LCD
panels are still not enough resolution and the reading position is not
optimal in all cases. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, I met a young
entrepreneur this week who reads using a projector aimed up at the
ceiling in his bedroom (or so he says, I've only seen his pretty-much
paper-free office/lab).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Hi Spehro, What LCD's did you buy? I'm due to replace an aging NEC
XE21 monitor, but I'll have to have the two sons come by to help me
pick it up ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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#### Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:29:15 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

[snip]
Some people just deal better with paper books.

Same here.

[snip]
My two 20" 1600x1200 LCD
panels are still not enough resolution and the reading position is not
optimal in all cases. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, I met a young
entrepreneur this week who reads using a projector aimed up at the
ceiling in his bedroom (or so he says, I've only seen his pretty-much
paper-free office/lab).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Hi Spehro, What LCD's did you buy? I'm due to replace an aging NEC
XE21 monitor, but I'll have to have the two sons come by to help me
pick it up ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I got a couple of Philips 200P3s. They have speakers-- there are
others with the same resolution and less outside frame if you don't
need the speakers. They also have a composite NTSC video input. LCDs
definitely help to reduce eyestrain- the image is razor-sharp. Had
these for a year now. I'm really glad I held out for the 1600x1200
resolution.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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