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danadak

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For the climate deniers lets put you in a shipping box for a refrigerator, then light a
small candle inside box. We will come around in an hour to see how you are doing in
that climate change environment, driven by CO2. By the way, message me with your
contact info so I can send you mine to put in your will.

Have a nice day, Dana.
 

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And thereby we have the crux of the issue. Before global TV News and t'internet we discussed the weather and saw what happened locally and also saw that it was normal - certainly never unique in most peoples experience
I live in California we just experienced a tail end of Hillary that never hit us before never got up the coast that far ever, it doesn't take a genius although I am one to figure that one out something's changing.
 

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. Even scientists are vulnerable to corruption with data, if the carrot of money and power is dangled in front of them
A genie told me.I must choose between wisdom or the combination of power and money.
I chose wisdom, now that I am wise, I know now...I should have chosen money and power!
 

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For the climate deniers lets put you in a shipping box for a refrigerator, then light a
small candle inside box. We will come around in an hour to see how you are doing in
that climate change environment, driven by CO2. By the way, message me with your
contact info so I can send you mine to put in your will.

Have a nice day, Dana.
"Climate Denier"

One who believes that ongoing scientific debate, among climate scientists concerning human effects on global climate should be open to further discussion and further scrutiny and analysis.


On the other hand, the symbolic poster child for Climate change hysteria advocates to advance Globalist governmental socialism and wealth redistrubution around the planet is attached below. Debate or discussion is closed and so called "climate deniers" are cancelled and told to shut up and toe the " consensus" line. Consensus is the definition for those scientists whose opinions are considered pure & absolute and not subject to criticism or change. Earths climate is always changing in one way or another.
 

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I live in California we just experienced a tail end of Hillary that never hit us before never got up the coast that far ever, it doesn't take a genius although I am one to figure that one out something's changing.
It happened before in 1939. Climate is always changing over various time periods large and small. The Earth is 4 1/2 billion years old after all.
China is building more and more coal powered electric generating plants while U.S. business is commanded to restrict its fossil fuel
output for power generation so go figure what is going on....

A genie told me.I must choose between wisdom or the combination of power and money.
I chose wisdom, now that I am wise, I know now...I should have chosen money and power!

Now you will do what those with money and power tell you to do.
"You will own nothing and be happy" (quote from WEF video)
 
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The evidence is right there directly from the horses mouth, the WEF themselves and the UN
themselves declare their objectives for anyone to read.

And why am i supposed to get my tail in a snit about that?
We are governed here by the democratic process (at least until the recent attempted coup) not by the UN or the WEF.
Do you somehow expect them to take over?
How is that not a conspiracy theory?
 

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CONTEXT means everything. As per my previous post, the media claim "Gigatons of man-made CO2" but when it's put in context i.e. 0.00126% of the total it becomes less than meaningless and certainly not threatening.
And you CONTEXT is a pile of distortion.
Earth's temperature is very sensitive to greenhouse gases of which C02 is an important one.
So those gigatons of CO2 are an important reason for the rise in average global temperatures in the last century, and that is very threatening.

But I've had enough of this Never-Never land with its alternate facts, so I am bowing out for now.
 

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And why am i supposed to get my tail in a snit about that?
We are governed here by the democratic process (at least until the recent attempted coup) not by the UN or the WEF.
Do you somehow expect them to take over?
How is that not a conspiracy theory?
We are not governed here by the Democratic process. We are currently governed by an ever evolving dictatorship
and Oligarchy who prosecutes their opponents but they have you convnced that is what a Democracy is.

Your party is the party of the Globalists posing as an American party. Just take a good close look at what your
leaders are advocating. It aligns perfectly with the WEF and the UN 2030 agenda and you don't even recognize it
because you refuse to examine the links and just keep regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

No need for "Them" to take over. The Trojan Horse is already within the city walls and has been emptied with lots of help
from the citizens who have your uninformed POV. No need to get your tail in a snit about it though, after all it is all
"Democracy at work" and that is what you have been led to believe..

Now back to AI, the technology that China has declared that they will dominate. China is also the darling of the WEF,
like I said a "Role Model" that Klaus Schwab (head of the WEF) has said provides a wonderful example fo the world to follow
and Schwab has said he wants China to lead the world and adopt its methodology.
 
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HAROLDYOUNG

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And who provides the paranoid conspiracy theories you espouse?
As I said several times now, the United Nations website lays out their 2030 agenda and the World Economic Forum lays out their plans.
I provided both websites including a Video. You should check them out and watch the video that way some of the brainwashing that
MSNBC and the Biden admin. have afflicted you with might begin to evaporate.

A "Conspiracy Theory" would be a POV that is based on false information, and "paranoid" would be a state of mind based on imaginings.
Throwing out terms like "Paranoid Conspiracy Theories" is just a way of protecting your own comfortable denial mindset and convincing yourself that what is in the Whitehouse is a force for Democracy, Truth and Justice and American values which is an untruth.
 

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some of the brainwashing that
MSNBC and the Biden admin. have afflicted you with might begin to evaporate.
Now you are making up strawmen.
I have heard nothing from MSNBC or the Biden admin about promoting the UN or WEF view, so I can't be brainwashed if I haven't heard it.
All the attempted brainwashing I have heard comes from those who promote lies about the election integrity, covid being a hoax, and there is no global warming, to name a few.
And that fits your definition:
A "Conspiracy Theory" would be a POV that is based on false information, and "paranoid" would be a state of mind based on imaginings.
And what is your basis for your statement below?
Calling it an untruth doesn't make it one.
the Whitehouse is a force for Democracy, Truth and Justice and American values which is an untruth.
But I will admit it certainly applies to the previous Whitehouse occupant.

Cheers-
 

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Now you are making up strawmen.
I have heard nothing from MSNBC or the Biden admin about promoting the UN or WEF view, so I can't be brainwashed if I haven't heard it.
All the attempted brainwashing I have heard comes from those who promote lies about the election integrity, covid being a hoax, and there is no global warming, to name a few.
And that fits your definition:

And what is your basis for your statement below?
Calling it an untruth doesn't make it one.

But I will admit it certainly applies to the previous Whitehouse occupant.

Cheers-
All you say is talking points from the DNC and MSNBC verbatum and you don't even realize it.

The Biden admin. and MSNBC don't talk about it (too much) they act on it but you are too blinded to even see it.
You should be more concerned about the current Whitehouse occupant, for example, as millions of illegals cross the border with no
restraint, including gang members, terrorists and young men from China of military age. Or an agenda telling girls they are boys
and boys they are girls and that they need a sex change without parental consent being implemented across the country in schools.
But you don't see it because you are more focused on Trump Derangment Syndrome just like the DNC and MSNBC speak in the
same way as you. The UN and WEF have a global goal in mind, and the U.S Constitution stands in their way.
They even speak of this in that video.

Biden and the Democrats are ready to comply. They don't need to talk about it. their actions speak louder than words.
Biden is just a senile figurehead puppet anyway. He has reinstated Obamas policies on steroids and is doing what he is told.
He even has admitted that in some of his public appearances. Probably Obama and his minions are running the show.
Many of Obamas cohorts are in the Biden admin. Angela Davis, proud card carrying Communist Party member endorsed Biden for
president because he could easily be manipulated and pressured. How many Executive orders did he sign on his first day in office?
What was the content of those EOs? Did you ever try to find out? No, because you was celebrating the removal of Trump.

 

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The Biden admin. and MSNBC don't talk about it (too much) they act on it but you are too blinded to even see it.
They don't need to talk about it. their actions speak louder than words.
And so you see their actions with your magical vision, how and where?
you are more focused on Trump Derangment Syndrome
Boy, that's putting the cart before the horse.
The only derangement I see is from an obnoxious, narcissistic, classified document stealer (lock him up), wanna-be autocrat, who tried to overturn a valid election, and lies through his teeth just about every chance he gets, from the "Big Lie" on election fraud (where's the proof?) to just about anything else he says.
He would have made Goebbels proud.
just like the DNC and MSNBC speak in the same way as you
Perhaps they do, thanks, but that's not because I am parroting them, it's because I have arrived at my views from reading the news critically.
And the day I start speaking like Faux News, the RNC, and their Fascist anti-democracy ilk, will be a mighty cold day in heck.

I actually voted for some Republicans in the past, but that was when they were a principled opposition party.
Now the only few principled Republicans that were left have been drummed from the party as RINOs, and we left with the likes of Greene and Boebert, all with complete fealty to Trump.
 

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classified document stealer (lock him up),

You mean like the ones Biden has in his garage from when he was not President and had
no legal right to have those documents and is given a pass by his administrations law enforcement
arm who look the other way and ignore it?


He would have made Goebbels proud

No that would be AG Garland and his boss.


I have arrived at my views from reading the news critically.

and from what neutral, non-biased newspaper or media do you gather your facts which enable you to think critically?


a principled opposition party.

lol, you mean like the Democrat party of today which would make JFK look like a conservative, according to his beliefs,
the party that promotes and push transgender ideoogy, and CRT which teach that all people with white skin are irredeemably racist,
and leave the southern border wide open to let in millions of illegal immigrants and unknown persons of questionable motives,
and also became the party of trashing the U.S. Constitution and laws of the land, just to name a few characteristics;
Is that your principled party?


and their Fascist anti-democracy ilk

As usual you got it backwards. That would be the current administration


I was raised a Democrat in a pro-union area of working class families. After the Democrat party abandoned that group
of US citizens in favor of non-citizens and became a party which follows a Cultural Marxist ideology hostile to the
principles of what the USA was built on, despite its faults and past sins, I reverted back to my upbringing as a JFK Democrat
which aligns more with the current Republican party rather than the Far-Left fascist anti democratic-US
"so called" Democrat party. They need to be honest and change their name to the Cultural Marxist party.

(attached Canada reference is relevant to what is happening in the US).
 

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For the climate deniers lets put you in a shipping box for a refrigerator, then light a
small candle inside box. We will come around in an hour to see how you are doing in
that climate change environment, driven by CO2. By the way, message me with your
contact info so I can send you mine to put in your will.
This is typical of the climate lunacy that prevails. Whilst the 'deniers' only wish to discuss the science (not the $cience) the proponents call for actions that intend to 'kill off' any further discussion.

If you can't win the argument with facts then kill the opposition eh?

FYI it would be the CO (Carbon MONoxide) that will kill you - dufus. Those that live and work on nuclear submarines spend the vast majority of their time in a CO2 laden atmosphere of up to 4000ppm (10x what we experience on the surface) and there is no issue. Not even any worries considering they are controlling nuclear reactors, nuclear missiles and $100's billions of machinery.

You can't argue with 'stupid' people. They either beat you with experience or drag you down to their level.
 

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This is typical of the climate lunacy that prevails. Whilst the 'deniers' only wish to discuss the science (not the $cience) the proponents call for actions that intend to 'kill off' any further discussion.

If you can't win the argument with facts then kill the opposition eh?

FYI it would be the CO (Carbon MONoxide) that will kill you - dufus. Those that live and work on nuclear submarines spend the vast majority of their time in a CO2 laden atmosphere of up to 4000ppm (10x what we experience on the surface) and there is no issue. Not even any worries considering they are controlling nuclear reactors, nuclear missiles and $100's billions of machinery.

You can't argue with 'stupid' people. They either beat you with experience or drag you down to their level.

By products of candle burning dufus (name calling, to meet comp) :



The above science.

4000 ppm, wow ! So what constituted the other 996,000 parts, in the million that is ?

Whilst the 'deniers' only wish to discuss the science

Do not recall the deniers of transistors were into discussing science, dont remember one peep
out of them. Or the draggers destroying the ocean bottom with drag nets, not a peep on science.
Or the science benefit that miners create dumping heavy metals into watersheds....not a peep
on science.....deniers in death masks, no shortage of them.....

But lets talk limits. Let earths atmosphere be entirely CO2, how you breathing now ? Let it be zero,
what are the consequences of that ? Now let it be what it is, but change the rate of CO2 production
being dumped into the soup. No consequences you would argue. Rates and concentrations dont
matter I gather. Obviously someone skipped the chemistry class.

And yes, as an ex submariner, reactor operator, I can confirm we all were crazy. Furthur no shortage
of folks in port standing watches with severe hangovers. We were safe and sane most of the time,
but not all. We had accidents, manmade, but relatively few. But now lets raise the concentration of
CO2 in the sub to say, 900,000 ppm, your thoughts Mr. Science ?

And sadly species extinction, how much of this can be traced to human activity, ask Africans about
their elephants. Ask native Americans about Bison.......Ask mainers about their salmon runs long gone
in the early 1900's due to paper mills, now a small resurgence due to removal of deniers influence
in their government. Ask lobstermen in Maine, the older ones, who overfished and used incredibly
bad practices,and put themselves out of business, how that worked out for them. Still a work in process.

Oh ya, the population now getting very well informed about deniers in many areas of activity.

I will take the mistakes made by science practicers any day over those made by the nothin's happening
crowd.

Regards, Dana.
 
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I will take the mistakes made by science practicers any day over those made by the nothin's happening
crowd.
Got admit I skimmed over most of your 'rant' but I'm no denier of science. I want the science to prove to me that mankind's emissions of CO2 are the main cause for global temperature rise.

As of now there is ZERO scientific proof. Not one peer reviewed paper. Show me one. Just ONE.

As for the remainder of 'science' I have already mentioned that Climate Change (man made) is a THEORY. It is called a theory precisely because no one has proof otherwise. A theory is NOT proof. Nor is consensus.

I'm also not denying there is change happening. Change ALWAYS happens - it's what makes this planet what it is and there's nothing we can do to alter that fact - reducing our CO2 emissions will DO NOTHING in exactly the same way as INCREASING them will do nothing.

There is a huge difference between being responsible for the environment and political interference, intimidation and expense of trying to manipulate the environment. There is no such thing as 'environmental protection' - it's environmental interference. Anything anyone does to counter 'something' has another effect elsewhere, the laws of consequence.

The only consequence of CO2 mitigation, litigation etc is expense, inconvenience and loss of rights (or control by those that don't deserve it).

The examples are legion - if you don't recognise that everything 'they' do is aimed at controlling everything YOU do then the problem is YOU, not anyone else.
 

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Got to admit, I skimmed over none of your rant.

The only consequence of CO2 mitigation, litigation etc is expense

Wow, and I thought growing, rather than destroying trees, was, and is, a good thing.

nothing we can do to alter that fact

I know,, my town posted several million dollars bond to cleanup a PFAS generating
business, in a town of just 30K. With cancer rates exceeding other towns. Nope,
nothing we can do. Nothing we can do about Maine paper mills dumping acid into
rivers, but we did. Nothing we can do to create lower power industrial controllers
and systems, nope, nothing we can do.....helpless, clueless, massive unending
incompetence, nope, nothing we can do....tank trucks dumping chromates on Boston
highways during snow storms years ago, nope nothing we can do.....acid suppliers
in Santa Clara dumping contaminated loads into storm drains, nope nothing we can do.

We agree to disagree. Dont do the candle refrigerator box thing, otherwise
we will not benefit from seeing the flaws in denier reasoning.

Love, Green is good, soot is bad (ask the coal miners about carbon coated lungs), Dana.
 

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and from what neutral, non-biased newspaper or media do you gather your facts which enable you to think critically?
Every source that you apparently do not use, and certainly not from Faux News or the RNC, or some conspiracy-theory websites.
and their Fascist anti-democracy ilk

As usual you got it backwards. That would be the current administration
So trying to overturn the election by claiming the election was fraudulent, trying to use fake electors, rioting at the US capital and storming the building to subvert the election, are all good democratic procedures as approved by the RNC?
That's the opposite of the democratic process.
You need to look up the meaning of Fascism.
It ain't what the present administration is doing, it's what the wanna-be autocrat, dictator-loving Trump and is fealty followers are trying to do.
 

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Every source that you apparently do not use, and certainly not from Faux News or the RNC, or some conspiracy-theory websites.

So trying to overturn the election by claiming the election was fraudulent, trying to use fake electors, rioting at the US capital and storming the building to subvert the election, are all good democratic procedures as approved by the RNC?
That's the opposite of the democratic process.
You need to look up the meaning of Fascism.
It ain't what the present administration is doing, it's what the wanna-be autocrat, dictator-loving Trump and is fealty followers are trying to do.
Name your sources don't come back at me about "Faux News" and give me some vague answer. What are your unbiased neutral sources
that allow you to achieve such a critical thought process? Most likely, your sources are the same ones that MSNBC uses to broadcast
to the populace, but perhaps I am wrong. So name your sources of information on these topics which contribute unbiased "facts"
to your conclusions in order to help me & others without the critical thinking ability that you purport to have, which allow you
to see the truth about these issues.
So again what are your sources other than MSNBC, CNN the DNC and some Progressive Left Wing biased conspiracy theory websites?
 
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