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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Joe said:
thanks, not much too see now that I can get there.

If you bothered to read you'd find some answers to the OP's question. What
you would not find are the spam, viruses, etc., about which you lied.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass wrote:
not much too see now that I can get there.
If you bothered to read you'd find some answers to the OP's question.

looks like he took 1st hand advise that got right to the answer from a
true pro, Jim alarminex. rather than reading excerpts from some book as
suggested by a wannabe.

What you would not find are the spam, viruses, etc., about which you lied.
can't blame me for being cautious. after all you are infamous for
underhanded actions and having spyware on your websites.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Joe said:
can't blame me for being cautious...

You're not cautious. You're just a liar.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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You're not cautious. �You're just a liar.
YOU? Calling someone else a LIAR?

HA!

Have you written another "Testimony" lately? How about telling us
another KEYPAD story or quote us another excerpt from the Sentrol
manual. On your way, you can stop off at Andys website and leave
another false message or two, falsely using someone elses name. Or how
about telling us where you got that description on how to wire the new
Andersen windows that you stole. Or maybe tell us how you really
didn't get convicted of a felony for threatening someone with a gun.
How it was all just a mistake and it was someone elses fault.
Sure ..... we just love to hear those old Ummm FABLES ....... of
yours ......

Now let's see. How many lies has Joe been caught at? Ummmmm , mmmmmm,
Uhhhhh ......... Hmmmmm Gee ...... NONE!

LIE? Joe doesn't have to lie. YOU do enough for everyone here in ASA.
 
I have a 10 Ohm 25 watt, wirewound resistor with clipleads soldered on
the end.

Disconnect the battery from the panel, put your volt meter across the
battery terminals. (should read something over 12 volts) Clip the
resistor across the battery terminals. Watch the voltmeter. If the
reading goes below 12 volts within aprox a minute, change the
battery.

Watch it .......... the resistor gets hot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Old school! I bet you use a Simpson 260 meter.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Old school!  I bet you use a Simpson 260 meter.- Hide quoted text -

Nah, it fell off a ladder lotsa years ago. Nostalgically I still have
it down in my junk pile though.

But .... yes it is "old school"

You're gonna tell me it doesn't work .......... ?

I'll bet you have a shinny new battery tester in a bright plastic
yellow case with a meter in it, that cost $50.00 ....... that contains
a solid state equivalent of a 10 ohm 25 watt wirewound resistor.
 
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JoeRaisin

Jan 1, 1970
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Just said:
Short the terminals with a screwdriver. If it leaves a big enough pit in the
blade and the battery doesn't explode, the battery was okay before you
tested it.

I know, that's the best way, but my boss kept giving me shit for it...
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Nah, it fell off a ladder lotsa years ago. Nostalgically I still have
it down in my junk pile though.

But .... yes it is "old school"

You're gonna tell me it doesn't work .......... ?

I'll bet you have a shinny new battery tester in a bright plastic
yellow case with a meter in it, that cost $50.00 ....... that contains
a solid state equivalent of a 10 ohm 25 watt wirewound resistor.

it gives me voltage and Ah rating that I can write down on the form for
proof the battery is still good. great for fire alarm inspection forms.
what info does the old school tester give you for documentation?
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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JoeRaisin said:
I know, that's the best way, but my boss kept giving me shit for it...


I'll bet you quit doing that when he stopped buying your replacement
screwdrivers too...
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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it gives me voltage and Ah rating that I can write down on the form for
proof the battery is still good. �great for fire alarm inspection forms.

Ahh .... I don't think you can qualify that as "proof"

All that does is say that you say that you saw something on a meter
that you wrote down on an inspection form. But it's not "proof" You
could misread the meter or even lie and no one would know the
difference.

And what would the Ah limit be?

I'd be curious to know if whatever your low limit is ..... is about
the same as leaving the resistor across the terminals for a minute and
not going below 12 volts. I'd guess it's pretty damn close.
� what info does the old school tester give you for documentation?

It tells me don't muck around recording readings .........either it's
time to change the battery ..... or it's not.

By the way, I always mark the installation date on the battery too. So
even if it reads good, if it's anywhere around 3 or so years or older,
it gets changed anyway.

But .... then again, I don't do commercial fire. I understand you may
need this kind of information to appease the egos of the AHJ's
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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How can that be "proof" ?

If the meter gave you a printed form from the reading it took with a
"marker" identifiying the meter and somehow identifying the
battery ..... "That" might be considered proof. Anything other that
that is ......... just a reading on a meter.

If I were to put a 10 ohm 25 watt resistor across the battery while
monitoring the voltage and the current with a volt and ammeter and
manually calculate the ampere hours ......... and enter it on the
form, would that be considered proof?

Proof? Proof? Dat aint no steenking Proof!!!!!!
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
How can that be "proof" ?

ok, poor choice of words. after all I'm just an alarm installer as u no
who loves to point out how ignorant we are. how about documentation
If the meter gave you a printed form from the reading it took with a
"marker" identifiying the meter and somehow identifying the
battery ..... "That" might be considered proof. Anything other that
that is ......... just a reading on a meter.

correct. which is more than your method gives. to answer your question
according to the $100 plastic box with alligator clips if a 4 Ah falls
below 2.6 Ah it is bad. if a 7 Ah falls below 4.55 Ah it is bad. it
takes less than a minute and if it's wrong I can blame the manufacturer.
not some box I made. As for changing readings, not that I would, but
if anyone were to falsify the data I'm sure they would just say the
battery was bad so they could sell another battery which would in no way
jeopardize the operation of the system. I'm also pretty sure that your
method is acceptable for testing batteries. I just needed something for
the AHJ that was industry wide acceptable and gave me a reading that I
could 'document'.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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ok, poor choice of words.  after all I'm just an alarm installer as uno
  who loves to point out how ignorant we are.  how about documentation




correct.  which is more than your method gives.  to answer your question
according to the $100 plastic box with alligator clips if a 4 Ah  falls
below 2.6 Ah it is bad.  if a 7 Ah falls below 4.55 Ah it is bad.

Hmmm. Why would a 7Ah require more life than a 4 Ah to be considered
good? I would think that either (a) both would require the same ( just
for the sake of keeping it simple) or (b) the 7 Ah could accept a
lower reading because of it's larger capacity it could sustain a drain
of a specific amount of current for longer period of time.

Or that the current draw and amount of perscribed standby requirement
for the system the battery was being used in ..... over what period
of time .... would be thrown into the calculations.

Not just a preset number. (?????)


   it
takes less than a minute and if it's wrong I can blame the manufacturer.
  not some box I made.

Regardless where you got the reading ..... it would be wrong.
 As for changing readings, not that I would, but
if anyone were to falsify the data I'm sure they would just say the
battery was bad so they could sell another battery which would in no way
jeopardize the operation of the system.

Even with the recent increase in battery cost, I'm of a mind that it's
better to change a battery, if it's been in for a few years, even if
it reads good. I don't feel I'm just "selling them another battery".
I'm taking precautions that surely reduce the possibility of a battery
failure. It's not a "rip off" That's what they pay me for ..... to
anticipate and head off potential problems. I'm sure they'd rather do
it that way then wait until they get a low battery signal and have to
pay me for a service call just to change a battery that I could have
changed a year ago .... the last time I was there.

 I'm also pretty sure that your
method is acceptable for testing batteries.  I just needed something for
the AHJ that was industry wide acceptable and gave me a reading that I
could 'document'.

When Yuasa, first came on the scene, finally providing the trade with
reliable rechargeable batteries, the method I use was recommended by
them. Since I do primarily residential now, and in the event that all
else fails, the newer alarm systems provide a low battery alert,
there's no reason for me to have to document a battery condition. So
I just continue to go with what's worked for so many years. (Other
than a burned finger every once in a while)
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
You're not cautious. You're just a liar.
found this message over at alt.tv.tech.hdtv. seems this poster has zone
alarm and it is reporting spy site for tinyurl link just like I got from
bAss tinyurl link.

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Rick
zone alarm is reporting that as a spy site... do you have the full link?
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So I'm cautious, sue me. As for the liar part, well I'll just let that
go as the rantings of a tired old bitter installer wannabe.
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Joe said:
So I'm cautious, sue me. As for the liar part, well I'll just let that
go as the rantings of a tired old bitter installer wannabe.


Nothing wrong with tinyurl.com, it just is sometimes used to hide bad sites.
Enable the preview and you can see the destination site before launching it.


McAfee Siteadvisor:
http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tinyurl.com


As to what "Rick Evans" wrote
and a subsequent reply from an unknown poster (would have been nice if you
didn't snip the message ID)

"Rick
zone alarm is reporting that as a spy site... do you have the full link?"

The link redirects to:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...of-picture-tube-tvs/index.html?ref=technology
(safe too)

There was nothing wrong with Basshole's link, it redirected to:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kZ...sig=acqK_pRkbRErl83aa34cv7aDhqo&hl=en#PPP1,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=kZEz-ogMXGwC (without search terms)


ZoneAlarm is stupid, too much "Chicken Little" and "Boy that Cried Wolf" to be
effective.
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
ZoneAlarm is stupid, too much "Chicken Little" and "Boy that Cried Wolf" to be
effective.

yeah, but it warned me about rbl so it can't be all bad! :))
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Worthy said:
Warned you about who?

No one. He lied, claiming that the URL which pointed to a respected,
well-known site was dangerous. He clearly never checked it out before going
into auto-lie mode else he'd never have made such a stupid claim.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
No one. He lied, claiming that the URL which pointed to a respected,
well-known site was dangerous. He clearly never checked it out before
going into auto-lie mode else he'd never have made such a stupid claim.
you can tell who by who is squawking the most. :))
 
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