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Not according to some people. Their 'Pittsburgh' brand of hand tools
are stolen fairly often.




Dothan? EWWWWWWWW!!! I had to drive there from Ft Rucker too many
times to pick up parts from a small wholesale electronics place.

Ah, I see Ft. Rucker now. It's over by Enterprise. I was looking at a job
over there (radar development). They kept dragging their feet, then were

 

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The one bay is 10' * 20' and the blacktop outside is about 35' *
40'. It's a no brainer on nice days.


I have at least two. One is disassembled, and the other is too far
from an outlet at the moment. I need to build a new base for that one.
It looks like the old one was built from part of a mobile home gas
furnace. The old man who owned it didn't add wheels, and it's quite
rusted out. It was last used around 2001, because of that. Both are
Craftsman saws, and so are two of the three table saws. Now that they
have settled into their new home my dad is thinking about getting rid of
most of his tools, so I may end up with more woodworking tools.

My RAS is a Craftsman. The table saw is a Delta Unisaw, I bought last year. I
was going to buy one a few years ago but knew we were going to try to get out
of Vermont. I didn't see the point in moving a 600lb saw into our basement
and then hauling it back out in a year or two. So I waited until we moved and
bought another house. It's living in the garage now so I could wheel it into
the driveway. The door open is good enough. It'll move upstairs when I get
the room finished (probably another year).

 

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I bought the canvas bag that snaps to the frame and collects
everything that falls from under the table saw.

A table saw "diaper". Mine is a cabinet saw, so no diaper. ;-)

 

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You shouls have seen Across the Fence around noon on Ch. 3 when you
were living in Vt.

WCAX? Nope, never saw it.

I remember after my grandmother first got TV in the old farmhouse in
North Fayston sitting with her at lunch eating fried egg sandwiches
watching that show.

Man, there's a berg in the middle of nowhere.

 

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^^^^^^^^^^
Crap! Ft. Benning (still thinking Vermont)

The new Air Museum at ft. Rucker was opened while I was working in
Destin, but I didn't get a chance to visit. It was in old, leaky W.W.
II wood buildings when i was stationed there.

The museum at West Point was in the basement of one of the buildings, in
pretty tough shape. This one was well worth the trip.

http://www.nationalinfantrymuseum.com/

We'll have to try to get to the Air Museum. We made it to the Tuskeegee site
(it's only about 20 mi. from here) last year. Not much there.

I'm familiar with the concept but it, and their newscasts were so
amateurish I half expect to see Ted Baxter reading the news.

That was what got me after living in NY for a year. When we went back home
the news production was so silly. The content wasn't any worse, though.

 

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The garage is good enough for me. I'd have to build an elevator if I
had a second floor.

Understood. There is access to the second floor of the house. I'll be
putting a (bought it from HF last year) hoist in any time, to get the sheet
goods up, then the tools.

 

[Sylvia Else]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Insolation.png :

It appears to me that Philadelphia gets year-round-average insolation
of 175 watts, at least 170 per square meter. Compare that to the 1 KW
per square meter that I have some impression that solar cell arrays are
rated at...

That sounds to me like 34-47 dollars per watt in Philadelphia, if the
panels are laid horizontally.

You're forcing a comparison of apples and oranges if you use that approach.

Figures for output are peak numbers, but anyone running the financials
knows that you have then to apply data relating to insolation, which are
location dependent.

The figure of $/peak watt is much more useful in practice.

Sylvia.

 

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

Figures for output are peak numbers, but anyone running the financials
knows that you have then to apply data relating to insolation, which are
location dependent.

The figure of $/peak watt is much more useful in practice.

It depends entirely on whether you're comparing panels or working
out payback periods.

 

[Sylvia Else]

It depends entirely on whether you're comparing panels or working
out payback periods.

I don't see why. A payback period (which doesn't exist at anything like
current unsubsidised pricing) will also depend on location.

Sylvia.

 

[Steve Ackman]

In <[email protected]>, on
Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry, [email protected]
wrote:

You shouls have seen Across the Fence around noon on Ch. 3 when you
were living in Vt.

I remember after my grandmother first got TV in the old farmhouse in
North Fayston sitting with her at lunch eating fried egg sandwiches
watching that show.

Just a bit of trivia re: VT...

1) It was the last state to get a TV station.
2) There were still entire towns as late as 1965 that
had no electricity.

 

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

I don't see why. A payback period (which doesn't exist at anything like
current unsubsidised pricing) will also depend on location.

That is precisely the point - compare panels use $ per peak watt,
calculate payback - use $ per watt at average insolation in chosen location.

 

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In <[email protected]>, on
Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry, [email protected]
wrote:


Just a bit of trivia re: VT...

1) It was the last state to get a TV station.

Last state to have a McD's in the state capitol, too.

2) There were still entire towns as late as 1965 that
had no electricity.

The bulbs in Montpillier are still pretty dim.

3) Largest percentage of unpaved roads in the country

4) Looniest liberals in the country (No Nancy, you're not the looniest)

 

[Sylvia Else]

That is precisely the point - compare panels use $ per peak watt,
calculate payback - use $ per watt at average insolation in chosen location.

If panel price were quoted in terms of $ per watt at some notional
average location, then you'd have to back caculate the peak price before
calculating the actual price for your specific location. So having the
peak price to start with would be much more useful than the average
price for an arbitrary place.

Sylvia.

 

[Paul Keinanen]

Figures for output are peak numbers, but anyone running the financials
knows that you have then to apply data relating to insolation, which are
location dependent.

You would also have to check the solar spectral response (varies e.g.
by the air mass) at a specific location and match that to a particular
solar panel spectral response.

The solar panel peak output is measured with an artificial "sun" with
a specific power level and a specific spectral response. Unless the
local spectral response match that of the artificial sun, there will
be some variations in the actual panel output.

 

[JosephKK]

Yesterday I heard a radio story about the California School district
spending $120 million to put solar energy in/on schools.
I did a Google search and can't find any info.
The numbers I heard didn't seem cost effective,
so I'm curious.
Anybody know more about it?
Mike

Stick "CREB" into the search engine.

 

[Don Lancaster]

I don't believe in these alleged economies of scale. Solar panels
already represent a large industry. The economies of scale, such as they
are, have already been obtained.

Sylvia.

NONE of the subsidies address the economies of scale of emerging solutions.

Instead, they REWARD ripper offers for business as usual, paying people
to put known defective gasoline destroying net energy sinks on
inappropriate rooftops.

And SETTING BACK eventual net pv breakeven by many DECADES!

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[djohn525]

I think this is a great idea but with all the economy problems its a waste of money right now.