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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore" >
Snipping FUCKHOLE !


** What insane crap !!!!

I snipped a few, completely irrelevant, words.

" Monstrous Ego = Zero Honesty " needs to be chiselled on this asshole's
tombstone.




....... Phil
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore"
Well you won't find them in Morrisons.


** Completely ridiculous RED HERRING !!

What a desperate & PATHETIC LIAR !!!

What a desperate & PATHETIC SNIPPER !!!




....... Phil
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil said:
"Eeysore"

** What insane crap !!!!

I snipped

Yes you did. The words that placed my comment in context.

STOP IT !

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil said:
"Eeysore"

** Completely ridiculous RED HERRING !!

The fact you can't find them in a major retailer ?

GET A LIFE.

Graham
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore"
Phil said:
The fact you can't find them in a major retailer ?


** Totally irrelevant.

They are readily available from many retailers, world wide.

What a desperate & PATHETIC LIAR !!!

What a desperate & PATHETIC OVER SNIPPER !!!




....... Phil
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore"
Phil Allison
Yes you did. The words that placed my comment in context.


** The comment was 100% ASININE and the following words were completely
irrelevant to the ORIGINAL context.

All were just another desperate attempt to CHANGE the CONTEXT and avoid
facing the fact you had been proved 100% WRONG - yet AGAIN !!

So they totally deserved to be snipped.

What a desperate & PATHETIC LIAR you are Stevenson.




....... Phil
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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In <[email protected]>,
Wow. I haven't had a crappy CFL like that in years. At the time it was
a Philips lamp. All the cheapos from Home Depot are at full brilliance
immediately - at least it's so subtle I don't notice it if they're
not. Those Philips lamps OTOH were very dim at first.

CFLs generally get hot, and need to be formulated to be most efficient
when they have stabilized in temperature.
They are sensitive to temperature, by being dependent on mercury vapor
producing 254 nm UV. Too cold, and there is not enough mercury vapor.
Too hot, and the mercury vapor absorbs 254 nm UV.

Many CFLs have the mercury formulated into an amalgam so as to achieve
optimum concentration of mercury vapor when the CFL has warmed up.

CFLs with outer bulbs have their tubing getting even hotter - so there
is even more need for warmup. On the other hand, those actually do well
over a wider temperature range once they warm up - and include most
advised for outdoor use.

If you want CFLs that start brighter and have less need to warm up, go
for ones with bare tubing rather than outer bulbs, and try for ones with
larger tubing and larger overall size for their wattage. Ones with 15 mm
tubing often start at half or a little over half of full brightness.

Ones with bare tubing warm up faster than ones with outer bulbs. If
the design is for greater compactness and need for more warmup, then at
least that will occur faster.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore"


** Totally irrelevant.

They are readily available from many retailers, world wide.

What a desperate & PATHETIC LIAR !!!

What a desperate & PATHETIC OVER SNIPPER !!!

So, tell us from Australia where in England does one walk in off the
street and find these to be the usual CFLs there. How about available at
all in a retail store for that matter?

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Don Klipstein"


** Try following the context - asshole.




...... Phil
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Don Klipstein"
That is one with an outer bulb. Those normally start dimmer and need
more time to warm up.


** Are you even on the same planet as the rest of us ?



....... Phil
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow. I haven't had a crappy CFL like that in years. At the time it was
a Philips lamp. All the cheapos from Home Depot are at full brilliance
immediately - at least it's so subtle I don't notice it if they're
not. Those Philips lamps OTOH were very dim at first.


** Philips ( and many others) still sell very slow starting CFLs.

Their " Ambiance " range ( which look juts like normal peal bulbs) are all
very slow - ie, several minutes to reach full output on a cold morning.
The initial light level is about the same as one candle.

No use in a kitchen or bathroom - at all.

On the contrary for bathrooms - I like lights there to start at well
below full brightness and then warm up.

And when I am going into the kitchen and need full bright light, I am
going to be there for a while and can wait a minute for full light.

If you want faster warmup and brighter starting, get the more common
ones with bare tubing.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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I bought 3 cheapos too. Similar results. Maybe they're more generous with
the mercury ? Not had one go bang though.

It's generally not quantity of mercury, but whether or not (and how) the
mercury is amalgamated, as well as presence/absence of an outer bulb.

Presence of an outer bulb generally requires use of amalgam to have
mercury vapor concentration being good at "ultimate warmup".

CFLs that start brighter tend to have a narrower good working
temperature range once they have warmed up.

If you want brighter starting and faster warmups, then avoid the ones
with outer bulbs.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore"

** Philips "Tornado" spiral CFLs are also VERY SLOW to light up fully.

Even with a room temp of 20C they take about 3 minutes.

Here in USA, I have yet to see a spiral CFL having any reference other
than yours as "Tornado", and I have yet to have a CFL with bare tubing
fail to be a majority of the way warmed up in 1 minute from 18 C or above.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Don Klipstein"

If you want brighter starting and faster warmups, then avoid the ones
with outer bulbs.


** You are SOOOOO full of shit !!

Some of the slowest lighting CFLs are made by Philips and use an exposed
spiral - eg

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec Sheets/Philips CFL Tornado.htm

The "warm up" time is stated to be 2 minutes.

The initial light level is about 10%, it depends on room temp.

Forget using one in a bathroom unless you leave it on all night.



...... Phil
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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My experience in USA is that CFLs of that style are a majority of the
way warmed up in 30-45 seconds if ambient is at least 18 C - both for
Philips ones and non-Philips ones.

You also dredged up something from 2004 - but then again, I have
purchased bare spirals in 2002 and found them even then to
most-of-the-way warm up in less than a minute. I even have Philips bare
spirals, and none took a full minute to get a majority of the way warmed
up!

Also, in ambient 18 C or warmer, my experience is that bare spirals
start a lot brighter than "one candle"! A few with outer bulbs can start
as low as close to 4 candles (9 watt ceiling fan CFLs with outer bulbs),
and bare spiral ones in my experience do at least a majority of an order
of magnitude better than this!

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Don Klipstein"
Here in USA, I have yet to see a spiral CFL having any reference other
than yours as "Tornado",


** Could be sold under a different name in the USA.

and I have yet to have a CFL with bare tubing
fail to be a majority of the way warmed up in 1 minute from 18 C or above.


** What you have NOT seen is NOT any kind of information.

Rooms are often colder than 18C and 1 minute to reach half brightness is an
annoying wait or even dangerous in many situations.



..... Phil
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Don said:
So, tell us from Australia where in England does one walk in off the
street and find these to be the usual CFLs there. How about available at
all in a retail store for that matter?

Morrisons supermarket does the usual 'bent tube' CFL in Philips brand for 39p
each or 3 for £1. They do stock fancy spiral ones too but not Philips.

Graham
 
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