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GraemeC

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi people

I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved.

I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

I think there is some confusion out there with regards the term
"constant current source"

If you look at wikipedia "constant current source" and look on the
discussion page you will see a heated debate going on.

What I mean is a source that will provide the same current regardless
of the supply voltage and load resistance(obviously within reason). I
would expect to change the value of the current by changing ratios of
resistors.

I guess have two questions. Does anyone have a design that meets my
spec for a constant current source and could it be modified to meet my
design criteria.

I know we can do this!

G
 
GraemeC said:
Hi people

I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved.

I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

I think there is some confusion out there with regards the term
"constant current source"

If you look at wikipedia "constant current source" and look on the
discussion page you will see a heated debate going on.

What I mean is a source that will provide the same current regardless
of the supply voltage and load resistance(obviously within reason). I
would expect to change the value of the current by changing ratios of
resistors.

I guess have two questions.

Does anyone have a design that meets my
spec for a constant current source and could it be modified to meet my
design criteria.

Yes, but you haven't told us what they are (speed, cost, stability,
accuracy, or any other considerations you have).

James Arthur
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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GraemeC said:
Hi people

I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved.

I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

I think there is some confusion out there with regards the term
"constant current source"

If you look at wikipedia "constant current source" and look on the
discussion page you will see a heated debate going on.

What I mean is a source that will provide the same current regardless
of the supply voltage and load resistance(obviously within reason). I
would expect to change the value of the current by changing ratios of
resistors.

I guess have two questions. Does anyone have a design that meets my
spec for a constant current source and could it be modified to meet my
design criteria.

I know we can do this!

G

Seems pretty simple to me. Then again you are posting from Google and have a
Gmail account...... and also mention the Wiki......

Then you say....

"I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved."

So perhaps you are looking for something 'more' than a constant current
source.

As you say.....

"I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with."

Again... seems quite simple to me..... so I am left thinking you are hiding
something and perhaps you are doing it deliberately!!!!!! I mean.....

Can we expect that later on you will inform us that this has to be supplied
from the auxilliary winding of a multiphase multisource power supply pack
for use in an SLICBM and..... whoopsy, you meant to ask for one of those as
well. Plus it turns out that the experimental LED is part of the on board
high energy anti-anti-missile tracking system and you also want to pulse the
laser whilst tracking on target with the facility for multi targeting as the
MIRVS go down whilst the mother delivery system remains in orbit?

Or are you just going to ask for a programmable current source and change
your mind as time goes by for a really nice long thread?

DNA
 
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Ancient_Hacker

Jan 1, 1970
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GraemeC said:
Hi people

I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved.

I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

The simplest may be good enough:

A PNP transistor, emitter hooked to a 2 ohm resistor, other end of
resistor to a 10 ohm pot, 2Watt, other end of pot and wiper hooked to
+5

base hooked to the cathode of a 1N4007 diode, anode hooked to another
1N4007 cathode. anode of second diode hooked to +5. Base also has a
330 ohm resistor to ground.

collector is your + side of the current source, ground is the - side.
With the pot at maximum resistance, you'll get 100mA; when at lowest
resistance, you'll get 300mA.

This should hold the current steady within 7.2% from zero to 3.14159
volts.
 
J

John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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dated said:
I guess have two questions. Does anyone have a design that meets my
spec for a constant current source and could it be modified to meet my
design criteria.

How close to a constant current does it have to be? A 2N3055 will do it;
put 3.3 ohms 2 W in series with the emitter and vary the base voltage
with a 330 ohm resistor and a 100 ohm pot in series across your supply
(330 ohms to +5 V). The current will stay pretty constant at the value
you set, if you put a big heat sink on the transistor. The 3.3 ohms
provides negative feedback to keep the current more constant than it
would otherwise be.

An LED is a very low resistance device, so even though the 2N3055 isn't
a brilliant choice for high output impedance, it makes a very simple
circuit. You can go on to refinements later, if necessary. A power FET
is probably the next step, but you only have 5 V to play with, so it
needs care.
 
Ancient_Hacker said:
The simplest may be good enough:

A PNP transistor, emitter hooked to a 2 ohm resistor, other end of
resistor to a 10 ohm pot, 2Watt, other end of pot and wiper hooked to
+5

base hooked to the cathode of a 1N4007 diode, anode hooked to another
1N4007 cathode. anode of second diode hooked to +5. Base also has a
330 ohm resistor to ground.

collector is your + side of the current source, ground is the - side.
With the pot at maximum resistance, you'll get 100mA; when at lowest
resistance, you'll get 300mA.

This should hold the current steady within 7.2% from zero to 3.14159
volts.

The OP hasn't posted what sort of LED he's using so we don't know
what kind of compliance he needs.

Still, substitute an IR LED for the two 1n4007s and you'll get more
headroom, plus temperature compensation.

Best,
James Arthur
 
Genome said:
Seems pretty simple to me. Then again you are posting from Google and have a
Gmail account...... and also mention the Wiki......

Then you say....

"I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved."

So perhaps you are looking for something 'more' than a constant current
source.

As you say.....

"I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with."

Again... seems quite simple to me..... so I am left thinking you are hiding
something and perhaps you are doing it deliberately!!!!!! I mean.....

Can we expect that later on you will inform us that this has to be supplied
from the auxilliary winding of a multiphase multisource power supply pack
for use in an SLICBM and..... whoopsy, you meant to ask for one of those as
well. Plus it turns out that the experimental LED is part of the on board
high energy anti-anti-missile tracking system and you also want to pulse the
laser whilst tracking on target with the facility for multi targeting as the
MIRVS go down whilst the mother delivery system remains in orbit?

Or are you just going to ask for a programmable current source and change
your mind as time goes by for a really nice long thread?

DNA



Ok, that was uncalled for.
 
J

John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, that was uncalled for.

Almost all of what DNA contributes is uncalled-for, but when you get to
SMPS and, as recently demonstrated, proximity effect, the slate is wiped
clean.
 
J

Jonathan Kirwan

Jan 1, 1970
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I've posted on this before and I've never really got it resolved.

I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

What is the LED? Or, what are its simplified characteristics? A
simple LED model uses a voltage and a resistance in an equation
something like this:

V(diode) = 1.55V + 2 ohms * I(diode)

Or somesuch. Do you know what voltage is required for your LED, when
driven at 150mA and at 300mA? Or can you at least say what voltage
will be required at 300mA? How much less than 5V will cover it?
(Stating the LED technology, at a minimum, would help.) Any
precision/noise, drift over temperature and time, and accuracy specs?
What about variation over supply voltage? How much supply voltage
variation will there be to tolerate?

How will you vary the current? Manual knob? Computer control?
I think there is some confusion out there with regards the term
"constant current source"

If you look at wikipedia "constant current source" and look on the
discussion page you will see a heated debate going on.

What I mean is a source that will provide the same current regardless
of the supply voltage and load resistance(obviously within reason). I
would expect to change the value of the current by changing ratios of
resistors.

I don't think there is _any_ confusion about what a current source is.
I guess have two questions. Does anyone have a design that meets my
spec for a constant current source and could it be modified to meet my
design criteria.

I know we can do this!

It would help to know what you are trying to do, in detail. You had
an opportunity to clarify these things earlier and didn't take that
chance, as far as I'm aware.

Jon
 
H

Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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I need to create an adjustable constant current drive that can supply
between 150-300mA to drive an experimental LED. I only have a 5v
supply to play with.

What is the peak current the LED can handle and at what duty cycle?
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Ancient_Hacker said:
This should hold the current steady within 7.2% from zero to 3.14159
volts.

Transcendentally compliant CS- too funny...
 
F

Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
0
A simple prototype, made of simple and readily available parts, with
maximum compliance, would look something like this:
View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.
 
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PeteS

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Transcendentally compliant CS- too funny...

Especially as it's supposed to be driving a load with a forward
characteristic proportional to e ;)

Cheers

PeteS
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Maybe juice that thing up a bit:
View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Almost all of what DNA contributes is uncalled-for, but when you get to
SMPS and, as recently demonstrated, proximity effect, the slate is wiped
clean.


The slate may be clean, but not Genome.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
J

John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
0
dated Sat said:
The slate may be clean, but not Genome.

We only have his word for that, of course, and other things he writes
aren't exactly credible.
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
0
John said:
We only have his word for that, of course, and other things he writes
aren't exactly credible.


And the pictures of his cooking don't look edible. ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
B

Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
In message <[email protected]>,


How close to a constant current does it have to be? A 2N3055 will do
it; put 3.3 ohms 2 W in series with the emitter and vary the base
voltage with a 330 ohm resistor and a 100 ohm pot in series across
your supply (330 ohms to +5 V). The current will stay pretty constant
at the value you set, if you put a big heat sink on the transistor.
The 3.3 ohms provides negative feedback to keep the current more
constant than it would otherwise be.
the thermal behaviour is not very promising, since Hfe increases with T, as
does Vbe decrease and also the Vf of the diode, all leading to an increase
in Ic. I tried a simple compensation and it looked nice in the simulation:

.---------------+-------
|470R...2k2 |
.-. |
| | |
| |R1 LED V /_
'-' - \
| Pot 1k |
+-------. |
| | |
V | |
- D1 .-. |/
| | |<---| BD139
| | | |>
V D2 '-' |
- | .-.
| | | |2R2
| V D3 | |
| - '-'
| | |
.-. .-. ===
| | | | GND
| |100 | |100
'-' '-'
| |
=== ===
GND GND
(created by AACircuit v1.28 beta 10/06/04 www.tech-chat.de)

R1 has to be chosen empirically according to the Hfe of the transistor. The
range is from 20 to 330mA. The 3 diodes have to be mounted in thermal
contact with the transistor.
 
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