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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Jim,
just coming back from Milan I see this question and try to answer it. The
phonetic suscript for an American:
Rock-ah dell-eh mache

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The 'o' in 'rock', in American English, is pronounced like either of
the 'a's in 'mama' in Italian.

I think that the 'o' in 'Rocca' should be pronounced like the 'o' in
'boring' but, of course, I could be wrong.

I'm laboring under the impression that in Italian, like in Spanish
and Japanese, there are only five vowel sounds and that they are
fixed by spelling. Am I wrong?
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Pronounce "mache" -> maaash? or maash-shay ? or maash-shuh ?

Thanks!

It's more like maa-tshay with the last syllable pretty short
Italian is quite difficult to pronounce correctly, though it has a lot of
different dialects, all having particular differences. The "high"-Italian is
not how they speak in Rome, but more a form closer to Latin, which makes a
good indicator for the education and family of the speaker.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson
Pronounce "mache" -> maaash? or maash-shay ? or maash-shuh ?

None of them. Out!

Match-hay.
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
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The 'o' in 'rock', in American English, is pronounced like either of
the 'a's in 'mama' in Italian.

I think that the 'o' in 'Rocca' should be pronounced like the 'o' in
'boring' but, of course, I could be wrong.

I'm laboring under the impression that in Italian, like in Spanish
and Japanese, there are only five vowel sounds and that they are
fixed by spelling. Am I wrong?

Try to pronounce more like a British or Canuck. With your Texan chewing-gum
pronounciation, you will have difficulties to be understood even in your own
country speaking English, what more in Italian.
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Try to pronounce more like a British or Canuck. With your Texan
chewing-gum pronounciation, you will have difficulties to be
understood even in your own country speaking English, what more in
Italian.

Mum is mamma, one of the most important words of a male Italian. Mum-mah.
60% of the male Italians below 40 live still at home with mamma. They are
called mammoni, (mum's sons) and all girls avoid them like hell. Mamma is
always jalous and she treats the son like a three-year old, and that is
where these poor guys have remained.
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
Aéroport Nice Côte d'Azur, smartass. ;-)


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
I always fly from Nice (NCE) and I wonder why you don't like it. As all
flight simulator fans know, the runway is somehow short. But it is France's
second largest airport.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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I always fly from Nice (NCE) and I wonder why you don't like it. As all
flight simulator fans know, the runway is somehow short. But it is France's
second largest airport.

I had the worst rental car experience of my life there (at Hertz,
amazingly), lots of other problems with a wheelchair-bound person, we
went to all the other car rental places at the airport, none was much
better, and I'm used to typical crappy North American rental car
service with long queues unless you're a grand dingleberry wizard
member, but this was much worse. I'm amazed it's France's 2nd largest,
it feels *much* smaller. Never had any problems at any of the Paris
airports (except finding the rental car return, and I'm not the only
one., but that's pretty minor). For some reason the service depot is
easier to find.

If you live nearby, NCE is probably just fine.

Even China's airports 20 years ago were 'fine'-- if you didn't mind
the bare concrete floors and 6-hour flight delays (and cancellations
if not enough people showed up). Nice isn't nearly that bad. ;-)


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Try to pronounce more like a British or Canuck. With your Texan chewing-gum
pronounciation, you will have difficulties to be understood even in your own
country speaking English, what more in Italian.

The funniest thing is listening to a US Southerner speaking Japanese
with a drawl.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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The funniest thing is listening to a US Southerner speaking Japanese
with a drawl.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Ever seen "Bonanza" with dubbed-in Japanese? Hilarious!!

Pretty funny in German also ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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NunYa Bidness

Jan 1, 1970
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Right! These guys are talking about wiping their asses, and you
post a retarded plonk announcement because I said something about
avoiding someone's ass wiper.

You're a *real* prize... NOT!
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Actually- if you eat a proper diet, position yourself properly, and
exercise discipline over the process, there is absolutely no need for
wiping whatsoever.


Don't try that when you're on medication for diabetes. You can go
from constipated to diarrhea and back to constipated in a single day.
:(
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,
Just attempting a civilized start ;-) All those airports are pretty
crappy by US standards.

Nah, Frankfurt is ok. They even have the fast trains come right into the
airport so you could be in Cologne a little over an hour later. Try to
get away from a US airport in anything other than a car.
BTW, I can easily get from Frankfurt to Basel in ~2.5 hours or LESS
;-)

With the right car you can. I just read that German police is taking a
liking to the American thing. So when you see red lights flashing behind
you and hear a siren blaring you know they've got you.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,


Nah, Frankfurt is ok. They even have the fast trains come right into the
airport so you could be in Cologne a little over an hour later. Try to
get away from a US airport in anything other than a car.


With the right car you can. I just read that German police is taking a
liking to the American thing. So when you see red lights flashing behind
you and hear a siren blaring you know they've got you.

Regards, Joerg

I thought that was only non-autobahn?

...Jim Thompson
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,
I thought that was only non-autobahn?

Could be, for now. But the main thought behind this is to avoid the
danger of having to pass speeders to stop them so I am sure the strategy
will migrate to autobahns. IIRC Germany does have an "Autobahnpolizei"
but not to the extent of our highway patrol. I have seen other police on
there as well.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,


Could be, for now. But the main thought behind this is to avoid the
danger of having to pass speeders to stop them so I am sure the strategy
will migrate to autobahns. IIRC Germany does have an "Autobahnpolizei"
but not to the extent of our highway patrol. I have seen other police on
there as well.

Regards, Joerg

And remarkably different than our highway patrol... they actually
sweep up the glass... I was stunned to see that.

...Jim Thompson
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Joerg
So when you see red lights flashing behind you and hear a siren
blaring you know they've got you.

AFAIK, they have red flashing lights only at the back, so if you see
them, they are following you in reverse! (;-)
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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In Texan English it's 'pronunciation', so perhaps your advice is
misguided. In Italian, I'll defer to you as the expert, but perhaps
your advice there might be misguided as well, what with your
incorrect assessment of my capabilities in English.
 
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mmm

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
But don't even think about getting back into the car after a few of
those...

I always get back into the car after ... but I don't drive :)

BTW grappa should be use in small quantity , it's a bit hard as taste
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello John,
AFAIK, they have red flashing lights only at the back, so if you see
them, they are following you in reverse! (;-)

Not anymore, if the newspaper is right. The always had a portable
flashing red light that they could hold out the window in any direction.
Looks like a monster spoon.

Regards, Joerg
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Joerg
Not anymore, if the newspaper is right. The always had a portable
flashing red light that they could hold out the window in any
direction. Looks like a monster spoon.

Oh, that thing. I've seen them in Italy, but they draw alongside and
wave it out of the side window. I've also seen them in Beijing used by
pedestrian cops.

The roof lights are blue in front and red behind.
 
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