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CTC195 woes

Yes, the dreaded JURB is back with another one.

P46924, PTK195M chassis.

Been through the training manual and everything on this one.

Need to know first of all if one of my assumptions are correct. I went
trough the "no relay click dead set" part.

It says to look for 7.6V feeding the jungle IC. It doesn't mention
anything about condition of the set, i.e. off or on. What I saw is
that the 7.6 was only up in the on mode, that is when pin 19 of the T4
is high.

Upon AC power up it did come up momentarily and at that time there is
clock and data at the jungle IC (43-44) I think. The EPROM, T4 and the
jungle have all been replaced resulting in no change.

The EPROM has been changed back to the original. Our guy with the
chipper checker got there the next day. First of all it wouldn't ID
the chassis. When the chassis was manually entered it found about
twenty entries in the EPROM that are not default. Those were

Now pin 19 of the T4 is high automatically, the 7.6V is always there
and there is always data and clock at the jungle IC. This seems like
the on state.

So have I moved forward or backward here ? Was the handshake succesful
before and that allowed the 7.6V to shut off ? And now it keeps trying
for the jungle IC. That did not happen when the jungle IC was changed,
it happened when those default values were restored. Data and clock do
quiet down after a few seconds, but is constant at the jungle IC now.

So I do have the correct new EPROM for the set, so I believe that the
other conditions will be restored once that is reinstalled. I decided
to let him restore those values because I believe it best to stick
with the original EPROM to avoid aligning the thing.

I'm running the job, but I don't have alot of experiene with the
chipper checker. But t this point, if I have gone backwards, is there
a way with the software to just get the default values fron the new
EPROM and load them and them only into the original EPROM ?

Of course that is after the thing works. It still won't fire up.

Chipper check says it cannot communicate with the T4, but obviously it
is finding the EPROM. It had three code 16s in it also, but everything
I see digital is fine, pulses are at the rails. Nothing is less than
full amplitude. Keyboard scan is fine, and of course I unplugged it

Now about the code 16, I have seen alot of 195s that had that error
code, but in almost every case I saw it, like after a flyback
replacement or some other routine thing like that.

Perhaps this is a real one ? And it's somewhere else ? But does that
throw a code 16 ? Bus locked at zero, could that be possibly around,
for example, the audio control IC ? It is bus controlled.

Do I have to look at everything ? and then there's the gemstar, which
has been swapped out. That I consider inconclusive because it was out
of a 195D which uses a different T4 and EPROM. It was extremely
similar, and did not change anything. The original was plugged back in
and again it did not change anything. I looked at the data at startup
and it looked the same, the timing ouf it and all.

BTW, they say use 10uS to view it, no, crank it down to 1mS or
something. You can't read all those pulses without a logic analyser
anyway, but seeing the big picture that way lets you see the structure
of it. I saw the structure change when certain things were done. I
prefer 1 or 20 mS. I doubt I would see it any better at 10uS, in fact
it would be worse, I know, I did it.

Chipper can't communicate with the T4, but finds the EPROM. See now I
tend toward the problem is local. Chipper check should be able to ID
the chassis, but can not. In it's previous state It got up, talked to
the jungle IC and whatever else and then went off mode. Why would the
T4 go through the sequence of initializing the peripherals and then go
deaf, dumb and blind ?

Will it throw a code 16 if it fails to get data from a peripheral ?
They are usually isolated by 100 ohm resistors.

This is not three strikes, it is no strikes. No balls, no pitches.

Don't beat your head on the wall too hard, but anything on this one
would be great. If you beat your head on the wall and tip me off on
this I would send you ABCs, which is aspirin, beer and condoms. Or