# do you know geometry?

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#### RichD

Jan 1, 1970
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Draw an outline of a shape, such that when cut
out with scissors, it will fold into a cube.
You're permiited to draw interior folding lines.

Everyone here will regard this as trivial. But
I've tested it on 6 people, and only 2 got it
associates.

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#### Don Y

Jan 1, 1970
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It's obvious, or should be to any engineer. You just envision a box,

It's basically a Christian cross.

You can do it with a *square* piece of paper.

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#### George Herold

Jan 1, 1970
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Draw an outline of a shape, such that when cut

out with scissors, it will fold into a cube.

You're permiited to draw interior folding lines.

Everyone here will regard this as trivial. But

I've tested it on 6 people, and only 2 got it

associates.

Weird.. do they only do five 'pieces' a base and four sides?

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#### m II

Jan 1, 1970
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It's obvious, or should be to any engineer. You just envision a box,

It's basically a Christian cross.

My problems are the interior folding lines. When I try to draw them, I
don't have an interior anymore. There is something Zenish going on here.

mike

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#### m II

Jan 1, 1970
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Just be in the box.

So...you're implying that it's my *unfolding* of the box that causes the
interior to disappear...This three dimensional space of yours is
certainly taking getting used to.

mike

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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RichD said:
Draw an outline of a shape, such that when cut
out with scissors, it will fold into a cube.
You're permiited to draw interior folding lines.

Everyone here will regard this as trivial. But
I've tested it on 6 people, and only 2 got it
associates.
Maybe because there are so many ways it can be done?
I thought of 2 ways in less than 2 minutes and quit because it is so
simple.

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
It's obvious, or should be to any engineer. You just envision a box,

It's basically a Christian cross.
Check.

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#### Don Y

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi David,

It's that small a number only if you restrict yourself to those
configurations in which each face of the cube must consist of a single
square cut out from the original sheet, and joins can occur only at
the face-to-face edges of the cube. That's a limitation which was
*not* specified in the original statement of the problem.

Exactly. There was no mention as to how *complex* the folding
process was expected to be.

(Nor any mention as to whether or not the folded paper would *hold*
the shape of its own accord)
If even one face of the cube is allowed to be made from two or more
non-overlapping (but exactly-joining) sub-faces made up of non-square
portions of the shape that you cut out (i.e. these sub-faces meet in
the middle of one of the cube's faces), then there are an infinite
number of cutout shapes which will qualify.

Yes. I know of at least two different ways of folding a
perfectly *square* piece of paper into a cube (without the
benefit of scissors). I could probably come up with more
if pressed...

And, by extension, any rectangular piece of paper (I think all
I need is a right angle, somewhere).

You just have to NOT think in "pedestrian" turns. Think
outside the box -- er, *cube*! :>

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#### Martin Riddle

Jan 1, 1970
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Draw an outline of a shape, such that when cut
out with scissors, it will fold into a cube.
You're permiited to draw interior folding lines.

Everyone here will regard this as trivial. But
I've tested it on 6 people, and only 2 got it
associates.

I got a 11 x 17" piece of paper here.....

Am I allowed to use a ruler?

Cheers

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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It's obvious, or should be to any engineer. You just envision a box,

It's basically a Christian cross.

there's several shapes that work

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possibly posibly others too...

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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I stopped looking after finding 8

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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I got a 11 x 17" piece of paper here.....

Am I allowed to use a ruler?

Even if you are it won't be a perfect cube, so presumably any
recognisable approximation is acceptable.

If you start with an acceptably rectangular piece of paper, by folding
it you can create a regular square grid. (fold a 45 degree angle to
translate east-west measure to north-south)

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:23:38 -0700 (PDT), RichD

Draw an outline of a shape, such that when cut
out with scissors, it will fold into a cube.
You're permiited to draw interior folding lines.

Everyone here will regard this as trivial. But
I've tested it on 6 people, and only 2 got it
associates.

It's obvious, or should be to any engineer. You just envision a box,

It's basically a Christian cross.

there's several shapes that work

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possibly posibly others too...

That can't be right. John Fields has declared that there are only six.

When covering the surface of a cube one must think outside the box

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
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This gets rid of the boring 4-in-a-row design.

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Here is a collection of some of those given:

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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Here is a collection of some of those given:

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Having one tile different to "1B" and "2B" or "Var A" or "Var C"
I can's see how to classify them

That makes 11, I can't as yet complete the dozen, if that's possible.

D

Jan 1, 1970
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That can't be right. John Fields has declared that there are only six.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not see where it was him making
that remark.

D

Jan 1, 1970
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That can't be right. John Fields has declared that there are only six.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not see where it was him making
that remark.

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#### m II

Jan 1, 1970
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Nothing was said about doing a surface twice..

Mister Baer, please report to the Accounting office NOW!

mike

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Jasen said:
I just thought up some more...
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Having one tile different to "1B" and "2B" or "Var A" or "Var C"
I can's see how to classify them

That makes 11, I can't as yet complete the dozen, if that's possible.
Yep!
How about a strip of paper of uniform width (== box size)?
Use 45 degree fold after front, top, back, bottom are made - to allow
sides. Nothing was said about doing a surface twice..

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