Why should I bother to post anything if no one believes it.
If we didn't believe you, this thread would have been
much shorter.
I have speculated on the cause. I am skeptical that it happens at any reverse current, but skeptical means that I'm willing to be shown to be wrong.
This effect is well reported in real engineering magazines
As I said, I've heard of it but I've not seen any references. If you can point us toward any it would be really interesting.
and has been tested by me.
And indeed there are people here trying it for themselves.
To get the data given in the first post I tested about 6 transistors. I didnt test all for beta loss, but two 2N2369s started out at 60 and only measyred 20 when I finished.
Sorry, I can't quite figure what went from 60 to 20? Was it the small negative voltage on the collector?
Going back to your original question, I think you need to test this with real rather than simulated components. The operating region is so far outside where (I suspect) the model is valid that I wouldn't trust it.
An interesting note earlier about IR emitted from the junction. having a photoelectric effect on the other junction. Not something I would have considered.