Evidence: CPU FAN spins harder while holding the POWER BUTTON/SWITCH.

[Skybuck The Destroyer]

Hello,

Some people challenge my theory/complaint/observation that holding the
power button or flipping it/switching it leads to damage.

I present EVIDENCE:

HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON INCREASES THE CPU FAN SPEED !

Natural explanation:

More speed requires more power !

Conclusion: MORE POWER IS GOING TO THE MOTHERBOARD SOMEHOW !

*

STICK THAT UP YOUR BUM !

Seriously though:

How do you explain it otherwise ? HMMMMMMM ? Yessss bring on your
theories/knowledge people... because you looking like crap at the
moment, saying things like: "power button does not do anything" !

Bye,
Skybuck.

P.S.:

Yeah, and people from: alt.hardware.pc-homebuilt try not to make a
complete asshole out of yourself.

Especially people like Craig Sutton.

This is after all a semi-serious posting and semi-serious science !

Your stupid asshole remarks are not appreciated ! Really !

Asshole remarks are only appreciated if you add a bit off
knowledgeable flavor to it... see... just like me... otherwise it's
just being nasty only... but science-nasty that's much better.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck]

Yeah,

And don't stop just there !

The backplate fan starts spinning faster too, probably, if my memory
serves me correctly. I am not gonna repeat the test, way too
dangerous.

Other fans were not connected, so it wouldn't surprise me, one bit, if
everything starts spinning faster !

Definetly something that should be investigated by asus and other
motherboard builders !

This could mean that holding the power button for 10 seconds to power
it down ACTUALLY DAMAGES IT ! or could damage it on the long run !

BAD NEWS,

REALLY BAD NEWS.

Not gonna do that ever again.

Next time:

I simply use the back switch of the power supply.

SCREW STUPID SOFT POWER ON/OFF SHIT, I HATE IT ( IT S STUPID IT S
DUMB IT S DANGEROUS IT S NOT UNDERSTOOOOD IT SUX.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck The Destroyer]

Also you might think it just spins faster.

No it doesn't just spin faster.

It starts spinning faster and faster and faster and faster.

That seems dangerous, bad, and not by design.

I am sure now you understand just perfectly >=D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[John Larkin]

Also you might think it just spins faster.

No it doesn't just spin faster.

It starts spinning faster and faster and faster and faster.

That seems dangerous, bad, and not by design.

I am sure now you understand just perfectly >=D

Many modern pc's have speed-controlled fans, so that they can adjust
the cooling as needed and not make a lot of howling noise all of the
time. They also have fans that give a "running" feedback signal. The
BIOS manages the fans based on cmos settings and/or actual chip
temperatures. Most such systems set the fans to max by default, often
powering up full blast and throttling down later after other stuff is
set up.

"Faster and faster and faster" is really just ramping up to 100% on.

My HP has redundant fans. Both are monitored for speed. If one fails,
the other starts up. Whichever is in use is throttled to provide
proper cooling, as needed, but low noise. The fans run full-on for a
few seconds at powerup. The advantage of buying a fully-built PC is
that all this stuff is designed in and the hardware and bios
(redundant bios! and raid drives! and ecc memory!) take care of
things.

Relax.

John

 

[Skybuck]

Yeah so big deal, tell me something I don't know.

I have sorta two redundant fans:

Power supply fan, and back plate fan <- does heavy work, if it fails,
power fan takes over.

That still doesn't explain my observed behaviour.

I tried to recreate the sticky button and fan thingy... but recreating
these problems is pretty hard.

I can now kinda understand why the sticky button problem escaped
attention... it happens on rarely situations... not under ideal
circumstances or even less circumstances... it's just one of those
things that only show up during "real world usage". That's the shitty
part about it.

I tried a second time recreating the fan thingy... but now only the
cpu fan is connected... backplate is now disconnected... at the time
it was connected... didn't hear the cpu fan spindle faster the second
time... but I know what I heard the first time

I am not gonna do asus's job that's for sure... let them figure it
out *

I am just here to complain about it and hint at possible short
comings.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Nicholas Sherlock]

Hello,

Some people challenge my theory/complaint/observation that holding the
power button or flipping it/switching it leads to damage.

I think that you need to increase the size of your tinfoil hat.

Nicholas Sherlock

 

[Eeyore]

Hello,

Some people challenge my theory/complaint/observation that holding the
power button or flipping it/switching it leads to damage.

I present EVIDENCE:

HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON INCREASES THE CPU FAN SPEED !

Natural explanation:

More speed requires more power !

Bollocks. This behaviour is quite normal.

Buy yourself an inexpensive little voltmeter.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EW-Mini-DIGIT...6QQihZ018QQcategoryZ58277QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Graham

 

[Tom]

Yeah so big deal, tell me something I don't know.

I have sorta two redundant fans:

Power supply fan, and back plate fan <- does heavy work, if it fails,
power fan takes over.

That still doesn't explain my observed behaviour.

I tried to recreate the sticky button and fan thingy... but recreating
these problems is pretty hard.

I can now kinda understand why the sticky button problem escaped
attention... it happens on rarely situations... not under ideal
circumstances or even less circumstances... it's just one of those
things that only show up during "real world usage". That's the shitty
part about it.

I tried a second time recreating the fan thingy... but now only the
cpu fan is connected... backplate is now disconnected... at the time
it was connected... didn't hear the cpu fan spindle faster the second
time... but I know what I heard the first time

I am not gonna do asus's job that's for sure... let them figure it
out *

I am just here to complain about it and hint at possible short
comings.

Bye,
Skybuck.

As some one pointed out the CPU fan and possibly the general fans &
PSU fan (dependent upon age and cost of system) are controlled by the
motherboard. Also as stated most systems fire up with the fans going
full tilt, or at least working their way up to full tilt, then at some
point the motherboard takes over and spins them down to a speed
suitable for maintaining a comfortable temp.

The reason for starting full whack, might be because the control
circuits responsible aren't activated at the beginning, however there
is another reason. I recall reading somewhere that the CPU is running
at 100%, despite doing naff all, at power on, so it will be heating up
nicely, hence having the fan going full tilt initially is probably a
good idea.

Tom

 

[Skybuck]

As some one pointed out the CPU fan and possibly the general fans &
PSU fan (dependent upon age and cost of system) are controlled by the
motherboard. Also as stated most systems fire up with the fans going
full tilt, or at least working their way up to full tilt, then at some
point the motherboard takes over and spins them down to a speed
suitable for maintaining a comfortable temp.

The reason for starting full whack, might be because the control
circuits responsible aren't activated at the beginning, however there
is another reason. I recall reading somewhere that the CPU is running
at 100%, despite doing naff all, at power on, so it will be heating up
nicely, hence having the fan going full tilt initially is probably a
good idea.

Tom- Hide quoted text -

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This is well known and observed behaviour.

What I observed was probably different.

First fans spinning at full speed and then started spinning extra
faster and faster.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Bob]

HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON INCREASES THE CPU FAN SPEED !

I have a theory that variable speed computer fans are deliberately
operated at full power when the computer is switched on to
increase the chance of the fan starting to spin when it is a year
old, clogged with dust and the cheap bearing has much more frication.

Bob

 

[Skybuck]

I have a theory that variable speed computer fans are deliberately
operated at full power when the computer is switched on to
increase the chance of the fan starting to spin when it is a year
old, clogged with dust and the cheap bearing has much more frication.

Bob

Thanks for this theory.

The CPU fan does not seem to be spinning at full speed.

It's spinning rather slowly.

This could indicate "fan control" failure, whatever is controlling the
cpu fan has died.

Bios perhaps ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Pieter]

Hello,

Some people challenge my theory/complaint/observation that holding the
power button or flipping it/switching it leads to damage.

I present EVIDENCE:

HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON INCREASES THE CPU FAN SPEED !

Natural explanation:

More speed requires more power !

Conclusion: MORE POWER IS GOING TO THE MOTHERBOARD SOMEHOW !

*

STICK THAT UP YOUR BUM !

Seriously though:

How do you explain it otherwise ? HMMMMMMM ? Yessss bring on your
theories/knowledge people... because you looking like crap at the
moment, saying things like: "power button does not do anything" !

Bye,
Skybuck.

P.S.:

Yeah, and people from: alt.hardware.pc-homebuilt try not to make a
complete asshole out of yourself.

The best way to investigate is trying it out!

So I will give it a try now. Lets see, the power button. I am going to
press it now.

One second, I see a window "shut down", 2 seconds now, 3 seconds now,
and now 4 seco