# Explain this paradox to me plz

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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How come DVD players boast of 10 bit resolution per channel,
presumably lots of engineering effort went into achieving this?

People pay a premium for this and ask for it. Video cards for PCs
output 8 bits per channel.

Then they connect it to a LCD panel where you need insider information
just to find out that it's a 6 bit per channel display. Which most
are.

So why are companies on one side lying and hiding information about
the true performance of their LCD products, but other companies
produce specs and hardware that can never ever be used fully?

And what the hell is the deal with "HD" panels with oddball
resolutions like 1366x768 or 1440x900? Is there like a backlog of 12
trillion gate drivers that can only handle 1366x3 pixels that people
want to use up?

Whhyyyyyyyyyyyy????

It's like if CD players only played back 12 bits per channel at 22KHz
sample rate, but all the studios released 24 bit/96KHz SACDs, and
everyone claims they can tell the difference.

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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How come DVD players boast of 10 bit resolution per channel,
presumably lots of engineering effort went into achieving this?

People pay a premium for this and ask for it. Video cards for PCs
output 8 bits per channel.

Then they connect it to a LCD panel where you need insider information
just to find out that it's a 6 bit per channel display. Which most
are.

So why are companies on one side lying and hiding information about
the true performance of their LCD products, but other companies
produce specs and hardware that can never ever be used fully?

And what the hell is the deal with "HD" panels with oddball
resolutions like 1366x768 or 1440x900? Is there like a backlog of 12
trillion gate drivers that can only handle 1366x3 pixels that people
want to use up?

Whhyyyyyyyyyyyy????

It's like if CD players only played back 12 bits per channel at 22KHz
sample rate, but all the studios released 24 bit/96KHz SACDs, and
everyone claims they can tell the difference.

Same reason hotdogs come in packs of ten, but hotdog buns come in
packs of eight.

It isn't _supposed_ to make sense!

Mark L. Fergerson

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterbox

I'm not a fan of it myself. Humans don't see in letterbox vision.

Graham

That's not what I mean. HD is supposed to be 1920x1080. People are
going to pay for HD-DVD or Bluray discs, in effect buying all their
software again, but there are precious few monitors or TVs up to the
task of actually displaying the pixels you paid for!
It's like my CD example! Argh!

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#### Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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That's not what I mean. HD is supposed to be 1920x1080.

It can be rescaled to anything you like.

Graham

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#### Tom Bruhns

Jan 1, 1970
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That's not what I mean. HD is supposed to be 1920x1080. People are
going to pay for HD-DVD or Bluray discs, in effect buying all their
software again, but there are precious few monitors or TVs up to the
task of actually displaying the pixels you paid for!
It's like my CD example! Argh!

I'm actually seeing quite a few of the large LCD panels sold for
television monitor use at 1920x1080 (or x1200 or whatever) these
days. I've had a 1920x1200 display on my 'puter for about three years
now. They're available if you look for them. But IMO, there's
precious little content that's worthy of that sort of resolution.

Cheers,
Tom

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#### Esther & Fester Bestertester

Jan 1, 1970
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And what the hell is the deal with "HD" panels with oddball
resolutions like 1366x768 or 1440x900? Is there like a backlog of 12
trillion gate drivers that can only handle 1366x3 pixels that people
want to use up?

Er... what is it exactly that you can't see with your "1366x3" pixels? Fleas
on the dog? Everything that the director meant for you to see you can see.

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Er... what is it exactly that you can't see with your "1366x3" pixels? Fleas

The pixels I paid for on HD DVD or Bluray or whatever?
on the dog? Everything that the director meant for you to see you can see.

So, I take it you'll want to buy a few of my 12 bit, 22KHz CD players
then? What is it you can't hear with 12 bits 22KHz? The fleas farting
on the dog?
And why did you put 1366x3 in quotes? Do you not see that something
has to drive 1366 red cells, 1366 green cells and 1366 blue cells for
a total of 1366x3?

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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The pixels I paid for on HD DVD or Bluray or whatever?

So, I take it you'll want to buy a few of my 12 bit, 22KHz CD players
then? What is it you can't hear with 12 bits 22KHz? The fleas farting
on the dog?
And why did you put 1366x3 in quotes? Do you not see that something
has to drive 1366 red cells, 1366 green cells and 1366 blue cells for
a total of 1366x3?
AFAIK studies have shown that the ears have capability to resolve
phase differences to 100KHz, and the headbones do vibrate well above 20KHz.

A

#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm actually seeing quite a few of the large LCD panels sold for
television monitor use at 1920x1080 (or x1200 or whatever) these
days. I've had a 1920x1200 display on my 'puter for about three years
now. They're available if you look for them. But IMO, there's
precious little content that's worthy of that sort of resolution.

Cheers,
Tom

....And you will probably find that they are 6 bit displays, and/or
they use backlight trickery to achieve their enormous contrast ratios,
in other words it's hype.
Sometimes you'll even see 1920x1080 LCDs that will only work with HDCP
enabled sources, and if you try to connect a VGA "in the clear"
signal, it'll only display 640x480 max or some such idiocy.

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#### Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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...And you will probably find that they are 6 bit displays, and/or
they use backlight trickery to achieve their enormous contrast ratios,
in other words it's hype.
Sometimes you'll even see 1920x1080 LCDs that will only work with HDCP
enabled sources, and if you try to connect a VGA "in the clear"
signal, it'll only display 640x480 max or some such idiocy.
Welcome to Windows Vista *mandated* DRM hardware and software (tail
wagging dog BS).

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#### The Real Andy

Jan 1, 1970
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Welcome to Windows Vista *mandated* DRM hardware and software (tail
wagging dog BS).

Vista is only one of many. If you are using commercial
hardware/software then stiff shit, deal with it or install linux on
you hd-dvd player/playstation

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#### ehsjr

Jan 1, 1970
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How come DVD players boast of 10 bit resolution per channel,
presumably lots of engineering effort went into achieving this?

People pay a premium for this and ask for it. Video cards for PCs
output 8 bits per channel.

Then they connect it to a LCD panel where you need insider information
just to find out that it's a 6 bit per channel display. Which most
are.

So why are companies on one side lying and hiding information about
the true performance of their LCD products, but other companies
produce specs and hardware that can never ever be used fully?

And what the hell is the deal with "HD" panels with oddball
resolutions like 1366x768 or 1440x900? Is there like a backlog of 12
trillion gate drivers that can only handle 1366x3 pixels that people
want to use up?

Whhyyyyyyyyyyyy????

It's like if CD players only played back 12 bits per channel at 22KHz
sample rate, but all the studios released 24 bit/96KHz SACDs, and
everyone claims they can tell the difference.

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#### Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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That's not what I mean. HD is supposed to be 1920x1080. People are
going to pay for HD-DVD or Bluray discs, in effect buying all their
software again, but there are precious few monitors or TVs up to the
task of actually displaying the pixels you paid for!
It's like my CD example! Argh!

My 22" HP monitor will display 2048 * 1536, with the right video
card.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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