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Firefox 4 Mini Review, and fix.

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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
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Firefox 4 Mini Review, and fix.

Been reading a lot about Firefox 4 crashing computers, and having other problems. I kept getting a nag about upgrading,
so I bit the bullet, and went ahead.

I just successfully installed Firefox 4 on two computers without drama. A core i7 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine, and a
little XP N270 netbook. Initially I thought, not a lot of difference with this new browser.

First big difference noticeable for me, was that he page tabs had jumped from the old V3 position, right to the top of
the screen. View> Toolbars> Tabs on top, setting unchecked fixed this, and made it look much the same as the old
version. I feel this is simply personal preference. Mozilla claim it is easier to see and fetch open Tabs from the very
top of the screen.

After a few hours use, I had forgotten what the old version looked like, but I knew I was still missing something very
important. Something that I had used daily in the past.

So I headed off to Mozilla, and checked out the old screen shots:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?images=194, and found what it was.

Firefox 4 History drop down window next to Forward-Back arrows is gone:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/792269
Quite a thread building there. I think Mr Mozilla better get in and fix this pretty quick.

However a temporary fix can be grabbed and installed in seconds.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/backforedrop/

Firefox 4 has a wealth of features that I am yet to explore. They claim super speed, and easy sync between devices.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/sync/

Story at:
http://www.godzillaseamonkey.com/firefox-4-mini-review-and-fix/

Cheers Don...

========================


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atec77

Jan 1, 1970
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Firefox 4 Mini Review, and fix.

Been reading a lot about Firefox 4 crashing computers, and having other
problems. I kept getting a nag about upgrading, so I bit the bullet, and
went ahead.

I just successfully installed Firefox 4 on two computers without drama.
A core i7 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine, and a little XP N270 netbook.
Initially I thought, not a lot of difference with this new browser.

First big difference noticeable for me, was that he page tabs had jumped
from the old V3 position, right to the top of the screen. View>
Toolbars> Tabs on top, setting unchecked fixed this, and made it look
much the same as the old version. I feel this is simply personal
preference. Mozilla claim it is easier to see and fetch open Tabs from
the very top of the screen.

After a few hours use, I had forgotten what the old version looked like,
but I knew I was still missing something very important. Something that
I had used daily in the past.

So I headed off to Mozilla, and checked out the old screen shots:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?images=194, and found what it was.

Firefox 4 History drop down window next to Forward-Back arrows is gone:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/792269
Quite a thread building there. I think Mr Mozilla better get in and fix
this pretty quick.

However a temporary fix can be grabbed and installed in seconds.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/backforedrop/

Firefox 4 has a wealth of features that I am yet to explore. They claim
super speed, and easy sync between devices.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/sync/

Story at:
http://www.godzillaseamonkey.com/firefox-4-mini-review-and-fix/

Cheers Don...

========================
I have it running on windows7 , linux /mephis and xp without fail
 
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Petzl

Jan 1, 1970
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I have it running on windows7 , linux /mephis and xp without fail

Probably little wrong with it. The problem is not all websites support
it and experience tells me they never will
 
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atec77

Jan 1, 1970
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Probably little wrong with it. The problem is not all websites support
it and experience tells me they never will
if some windows dick code monkey builds for windows only I have no
desire to visit his shit work
 
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atec77

Jan 1, 1970
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When using iinet webmail to access secondary email addresses it denies
access.

iinet's solution is to use IE. :(
If my isp told me that I would hurl abuse until they fixed it
but then I dont use my isp email addy
 
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SolomonW

Jan 1, 1970
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Firefox 4 Mini Review, and fix.

Been reading a lot about Firefox 4 crashing computers, and having other problems. I kept getting a nag about upgrading,
so I bit the bullet, and went ahead.

I just successfully installed Firefox 4 on two computers without drama. A core i7 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine, and a
little XP N270 netbook. Initially I thought, not a lot of difference with this new browser.

First big difference noticeable for me, was that he page tabs had jumped from the old V3 position, right to the top of
the screen. View> Toolbars> Tabs on top, setting unchecked fixed this, and made it look much the same as the old
version. I feel this is simply personal preference. Mozilla claim it is easier to see and fetch open Tabs from the very
top of the screen.

After a few hours use, I had forgotten what the old version looked like, but I knew I was still missing something very
important. Something that I had used daily in the past.

So I headed off to Mozilla, and checked out the old screen shots:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?images=194, and found what it was.

Firefox 4 History drop down window next to Forward-Back arrows is gone:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/792269
Quite a thread building there. I think Mr Mozilla better get in and fix this pretty quick.

However a temporary fix can be grabbed and installed in seconds.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/backforedrop/

Firefox 4 has a wealth of features that I am yet to explore. They claim super speed, and easy sync between devices.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/sync/

Story at:
http://www.godzillaseamonkey.com/firefox-4-mini-review-and-fix/

Cheers Don...

========================

Try this add-on memory restart 1.3
 
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annily

Jan 1, 1970
0
Firefox 4 Mini Review, and fix.

Been reading a lot about Firefox 4 crashing computers, and having other
problems. I kept getting a nag about upgrading, so I bit the bullet, and
went ahead.

I just successfully installed Firefox 4 on two computers without drama.
A core i7 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine, and a little XP N270 netbook.
Initially I thought, not a lot of difference with this new browser.

First big difference noticeable for me, was that he page tabs had jumped
from the old V3 position, right to the top of the screen. View>
Toolbars> Tabs on top, setting unchecked fixed this, and made it look
much the same as the old version. I feel this is simply personal
preference. Mozilla claim it is easier to see and fetch open Tabs from
the very top of the screen.

After a few hours use, I had forgotten what the old version looked like,
but I knew I was still missing something very important. Something that
I had used daily in the past.

So I headed off to Mozilla, and checked out the old screen shots:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?images=194, and found what it was.

Firefox 4 History drop down window next to Forward-Back arrows is gone:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/792269
Quite a thread building there. I think Mr Mozilla better get in and fix
this pretty quick.

I found that pretty early on, but you can get at your history via other
means, so it's not a big deal for me.
 
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Petzl

Jan 1, 1970
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If my isp told me that I would hurl abuse until they fixed it
but then I dont use my isp email addy

Who in their right mind does?
Even a free throwaway like Gmail is better than any Austrlian email
addy
 
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Petzl

Jan 1, 1970
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if some windows dick code monkey builds for windows only I have no
desire to visit his shit work

Good to have a choice most don't
 
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Petzl

Jan 1, 1970
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If possible, I would also tend to avoid companies or services like
that, as they are living in the dinosaur age, and have no
understanding of what is going on in the real world. You would
probably find this reflected in their products and services too. (ie
Harvey Norman compared to online shopping)

Not possible in this case, they are Government funded and run. What a
waste providing Armidale with the NBN
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
0
Just right click the back button.


You are quite correct Keith, the right click button works fine.

But this is what users are saying in that above thread:
===================================
This is not a solution to the problem, which is stated. The drop down box is one of the most used features of the
browser, any most used item like this needs reasonable thought before removing. An option to use the old method is a
minimum requirement.

Clicking and holding is slow and takes time to wait, plus for those with disabilities using very different pointing
devices should not need to stick and hold, or use a 2nd button.

Using the right key means I need to use a different key, and for people on laptops the or other pointing devices besides
a proper mouse, its a hassle to need to use the 2nd button.

The improvement is slow, requires you to use a 2nd button, and gives no improvement to the dedicated button. The new
features of holding down or right click are fine, so long as the faster button click option remains.

Its a fairly big mistake to take away a feature, when there is no reason. Click hold and wait....is waiting too long.

The problem that people are continuing to tag as problem, is not fixed. Please return the functionality as was working
before. Thanks
=========================

And I agree. :)

Cheers Don...

===============




--
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
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You are quite correct Keith, the right click button works fine.

But this is what users are saying in that above thread:
===================================
This is not a solution to the problem, which is stated. The drop down
box is one of the most used features of the browser, any most used item
like this needs reasonable thought before removing. An option to use the
old method is a minimum requirement.

Clicking and holding is slow and takes time to wait, plus for those with
disabilities using very different pointing devices should not need to
stick and hold, or use a 2nd button.

Using the right key means I need to use a different key, and for people
on laptops the or other pointing devices besides a proper mouse, its a
hassle to need to use the 2nd button.

The improvement is slow, requires you to use a 2nd button, and gives no
improvement to the dedicated button. The new features of holding down or
right click are fine, so long as the faster button click option remains.

Its a fairly big mistake to take away a feature, when there is no
reason. Click hold and wait....is waiting too long.

The problem that people are continuing to tag as problem, is not fixed.
Please return the functionality as was working before. Thanks
=========================

And I agree. :)

Cheers Don...

===============

Personally I find no problem with it, my main problem with FF4 is that
they have moved the reload button over to the right, and it is a long
way to drive the trackball or touchpad.
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
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Personally I find no problem with it, my main problem with FF4 is that they have moved the reload button over to the
right, and it is a long way to drive the trackball or touchpad.

:)

Fair point, I know we get so familiar with doing it one way for so long, that it becomes awkward when we try it their
new way. I also keep looking for reload as well as home, so they must have moved both of them.

Cheers Don...

=====================


--
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"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html
 
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annily

Jan 1, 1970
0
Personally I find no problem with it, my main problem with FF4 is that
they have moved the reload button over to the right, and it is a long
way to drive the trackball or touchpad.

I'm pretty sure you can rearrange the icons on the bar with FF4,
although I've gone back to 3.6.17 for now. Anyway, what's wrong with F5?
 
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Malcolm Moore

Jan 1, 1970
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Personally I find no problem with it, my main problem with FF4 is that
they have moved the reload button over to the right, and it is a long
way to drive the trackball or touchpad.

You can move it. Right click on the buttons bar, choose customise, and
then while holding the left mouse button down drag the offending
button to where you prefer it. Then click 'Done'
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
0
You can move it. Right click on the buttons bar, choose customise, and
then while holding the left mouse button down drag the offending
button to where you prefer it. Then click 'Done'

AHA!
Great work Malcolm.
Now I have to remember where I had the reload and home buttons before. :)

Cheers Don...

=============


--
Don McKenzie

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Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
0
AHA!
Great work Malcolm.
Now I have to remember where I had the reload and home buttons before. :)

a quick follow up.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox_3.6.PNG
has a picture of FF V3.6

Buttons left to right are:
left, right, down, reload, stop, home, then the address box.

Perhaps it was because I added the down button patch, but I wasn't able to place stop in the same position, but I was
able to add it successfully between home and the address box.

And bookmarks was disappearing over on the right hand side, so I tried shifting it left, but no go, so I then added
another button to the left of the address box.

So it is almost identical to V3.6 now. Well as close as one can get I thinketh.

Cheers Don...

===================



--
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"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html
 
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
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You can move it. Right click on the buttons bar, choose customise, and
then while holding the left mouse button down drag the offending
button to where you prefer it. Then click 'Done'

Good stuff, now I have reload, home and print over on the left like I
used to have them, and I don't mind right clicking the back button in
the least.
 
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
0
a quick follow up.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox_3.6.PNG
has a picture of FF V3.6

Buttons left to right are:
left, right, down, reload, stop, home, then the address box.

Perhaps it was because I added the down button patch, but I wasn't able
to place stop in the same position, but I was able to add it
successfully between home and the address box.

And bookmarks was disappearing over on the right hand side, so I tried
shifting it left, but no go, so I then added another button to the left
of the address box.

So it is almost identical to V3.6 now. Well as close as one can get I
thinketh.

Cheers Don...

===================

I never had a crash with FF4 until this afternoon. I went to the Oanda
foreign exchange web site to print off a table of exchange rates for my
expenses on a recent trip to the US. The page came up OK, but when I
tried to print it, FF crashed. It also crashed on page preview. Thinking
it may be a W7 thing or a function of the work VPN/network, I tried it
on my EEEPC under XP. Exactly the same result. I had to use IE in the
end, that worked OK.
 

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