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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I can't
imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie

Gore has been aweful silent lately... hopef... I mean, maybe he died?
 
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Jamie

Jan 1, 1970
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AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I
can't imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I
can't imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Is there so great a need to start AGW threads in SED on basis of major
snowfalls that such a thread gets started on basis of a blizzard that
Boston got, but so far sounding to me not as bad as roughly 4 others
that Boston got between the beginning of 1978 and the beginning of 2010?
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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Don Klipstein said:
Is there so great a need to start AGW threads in SED on basis of major
snowfalls that such a thread gets started on basis of a blizzard that
Boston got, but so far sounding to me not as bad as roughly 4 others
that Boston got between the beginning of 1978 and the beginning of 2010?

Considering that proponents of AGW could ruin humanity with their insanity,
yes, it does seem important to keep pointing out how we were almost drove
off a cliff and by whom. Maybe so it's less likely to happen again.

Remember, we were told that the earth was heating up and we would should
start expecting summer like conditions in winter. Instead the opposite is
happening. Of course now they want to call it "global climate change" since
that seems to be a bit more convincing. Of course we all know that the
climate changes but I guess some are just finding that out?
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I
can't imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!
Well, silly me! I thought that stuff was denialist propaganda! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich Grise said:
Well, silly me! I thought that stuff was denialist propaganda! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
I'm in North Florida, we had another night with freezing temperatures,
it's 24*F right now, and I'm within a mile of the moderating coastal waters.
I'm asking everyone to pray for global warming, I moved from Michigan,
I thought I was getting away from cold weather..
Mikek
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I
can't imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie

Being in NH, personally this has been a typical year. I've seen years
when we've had 30+ inches of the white crap on the ground for new
years, and I've seen years when we've had 2 inches total for the
entire winter.

I've seen temperatures where the ice was never really safe all winter,
I've seen winters (like this one) where people were on the ice well
before Christmas with only a few of them falling through to an icy
doom...

As to AGW, it's the weather. What the problem is amounts to a group of
people who will do anything for fame, power and wealth, people like Al
Gore who has made millions on his global warming scams (he is
absolutely one of the biggest con artists that has ever come around,
playing on people's ignorant fears, to get laws and treaties passed to
help him make big money.)

Anyway, after I finish here, I'm off to plow a bunch of this global
warming and push it off to the side of a bunch of driveways. All with
my polluting huge truck, with those fun flashing strobe lights!
 
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Raveninghorde

Jan 1, 1970
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Considering that proponents of AGW could ruin humanity with their insanity,
yes, it does seem important to keep pointing out how we were almost drove
off a cliff and by whom. Maybe so it's less likely to happen again.

Remember, we were told that the earth was heating up and we would should
start expecting summer like conditions in winter. Instead the opposite is
happening. Of course now they want to call it "global climate change" since
that seems to be a bit more convincing. Of course we all know that the
climate changes but I guess some are just finding that out?

Exactly.

Queensland stopped building the flood defences recommended after the
1974 because AGW meant they would never be needed. Instead they built
desalination plants (mothballed) to cope with the expected water
shortage.

Every alarmist who opposed the flood defences should be hanging from a
streetlamp. They are guilty, literally, of murder.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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wilby

Jan 1, 1970
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AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I can't
imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie

We need to remember that all that snow was recently moisture in some big
clouds. That moisture came from evaporation from large bodies of water
such as oceans.

In areas where the oceans are warmer than normal, greater evaporation
occurs. Greater evaporation means one thing, more rain/snow when that
warm and wet cloud encounters cold air somewhere, such as CT & MA.

Ask Australia what happens there when the Pacific & Indian oceans are
overly warm.

"Global warming" doesn't ever mean that everyone will experience the
same few degrees of upward temp change everywhere. It means that some
areas will be warmer by several degrees and some areas may not feel the
temp change. It is a global temp average.

It also means that everyone will feel the extended effects even though
it may not be a temp change in their area. It can easily be huge storms,
or vast drought in normally wet areas.

I'm in the western us and here we are seeing much dryer winters where
farmers and water using businesses are starting to wonder how bad it
will get.

In my own back yard I can see mourning doves sitting in a tree. This was
absolutely never seen during my younger days. They flew south before
August ended. Now they winter over right here. I'm hoping that penguins
don't follow them.

Wilby
 
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Les Cargill

Jan 1, 1970
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wilby said:
We need to remember that all that snow was recently moisture in some big
clouds. That moisture came from evaporation from large bodies of water
such as oceans.

In areas where the oceans are warmer than normal, greater evaporation
occurs. Greater evaporation means one thing, more rain/snow when that
warm and wet cloud encounters cold air somewhere, such as CT & MA.

Ask Australia what happens there when the Pacific & Indian oceans are
overly warm.

I'm not sure we really know. I'm in Central Florida, and the 2005-2007
period saw lots of hurricanes - insurance rates went up, all that.

Haven't had so much as a glimpse of one since. Climate isn't
weather...
"Global warming" doesn't ever mean that everyone will experience the
same few degrees of upward temp change everywhere. It means that some
areas will be warmer by several degrees and some areas may not feel the
temp change. It is a global temp average.

It also means that everyone will feel the extended effects even though
it may not be a temp change in their area. It can easily be huge storms,
or vast drought in normally wet areas.

I'm in the western us and here we are seeing much dryer winters where
farmers and water using businesses are starting to wonder how bad it
will get.

The Western US was going to get dry no matter what. It was settled
by Europeans during an uncharacteristically wet period. About
the second winter in Nebraska ( which is not really in the
West, but on the periphey of it ) was the Great White Winter,
in which record snowfall ensued.

SFAIK, the reason the Anasazi left the West was because of
(pre-industrial) dryness.
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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Dennis said:
This is inane. Anthropogenic global warming is progressing steadily,
and will progress faster as more people compete to make more money by
digging up and burning fossil carbon. That these same people have
inversted a small portion of their profits in denialist propaganda is
understandable, if immoral. That some of the kind of techniclly
sophisticated people who post here have fallen for this propaganda is
less understandable - it's the same kind of fear, uncertainty and
doubt propaganda that was spread around by the tobacco companies a
couple of decades ago, and - by no coincidence - some of the same
people who were active for the tobacco compaies back then are active
for the fossil-fuel extractors today.


The earth is heating up. Some dumb journalists thought that this meant
that every place was going to be warmer all through the year, and
siezed on every heat wave as an example of anthropogenic global
warming in action. This was rubbush, just as the claim that unusually
cold weather is evidence against anthropogenic global warming.


Not true. The earth - as a whole - is still heating up.


The climate hasn't changed much in the past few thousand years. If you
go back a bit further we had ice ages. The transitions from an ice age
to an interglacial involves the earth - as whole - warming up by about
6K.

At the end of the last ice age the warming trend was broken - for 1300
years - by the Younger Dryas, which came on and went away in less than
a decade, as the Gulf Stream switched off and turned back on again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

If we let Greenland keep on warming up, the ice cap may decide to
slide off into the ocean (as ice sheets are apparently prone to do,
based on ocean floor sediment data from the end of the last ice age)
and this might be enough to turn off the Gulf Stream, giving you quite
enough climate change to ruin the human community around the North
Atlantic.

It's not likely to happen, but messing around with the climate - as we
are now doing - is not a risk-free pass-time.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


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Save your breath Bill. Climate change is a political discussion here, not
one to be moderated by fact.....

Fact? there is absolutely no fact that the earth is heating up. The only
fact is that you and bill's arrogance makes you think you are intelligent
enough to prove things that are not possible to prove. Just because a sine
curve is locally increasing at some points in time DOES NOT PROVE that it is
always increasing or has a global trend to increase.

All it proves is that you guys are very short sighted and assume that humans
must have a significant effect on global climate. Obviously when you make
those hypothesis then AGW must be true.

I'm sure many millions of years ago the earth was much hotter than it is
today and hence the overall trend must be down. You should be lucky it's not
1000C outside.

The facts are you guys will find any trend you want to support your feelings
that somehow what man does is evil and wrong.
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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wilby said:
We need to remember that all that snow was recently moisture in some big
clouds. That moisture came from evaporation from large bodies of water
such as oceans.

So all those blizzards in the past were due to global warming too? Even
before the industrial revolution?
 
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Michael Robinson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've
just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I can't
imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie

"Global warming in New England"
has a certain ring, not sure what it means though.
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm in North Florida, we had another night with freezing temperatures,
it's 24*F right now, and I'm within a mile of the moderating coastal waters.
I'm asking everyone to pray for global warming, I moved from Michigan,
I thought I was getting away from cold weather..
Mikek

North Florida gets winter. On long term average, January temperature in
Jacksonville is almost halfway from that of Miami to that of Boston. And
it's been that way at least for decades. Occaisionally, North Florida
even gets a bit of snow.
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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Globally, 2010 was the hottest year on record

Can you cite this?

There are 5 major indices of global temperature, with 4 of those 5 being
widely mentioned. I am expecting 1 of these 4 to be just now coming in or
about to come in as hottest, barely past 1998. 2 others are in, 2nd to
1998, and only covering 33 years. Another biggie longer-term one is
likely to come in 2nd to 1998, likely to be announced in about or a little
over a week from now.

As for with 5-year smoothing - we had a peak around 2004-2005. There
are good prospects for little or no warming from that one, some fair
chance of .05-.1 degree C of cooling from that time all the way to
2030-2035. This is because a significant part of the temperature run-up
from 1973 to 2005 is from multidecadal oceanic oscillations that are
expected to be on downturn against the warming trend until 2030-2035. In
addition, the sun is showing fair sign of entering a "Dalton class"
minimum of solar activity.

If CO2 has as much effect as IPCC expects, then the world will continue
to warm through the next 25 years of temporary natural cooling factors.
If it has 50-60% as much effect on global temperature instead, as I
expect, then the world can fail to warm at all until after 2030-2035, or
may even cool slightly until 2030-2035, then warm a majority of a degree C
from then to 2070 as the natural cycles go back on upswing.

Should 2070 be less than a degree C warmer than we are now, expect
much less than another additional degree C of warming from 2070 to 2100,
with oceanic multidecadal stuff at least mostly no longer continuing their
next upswing. And probably not a whole lot after 2100 due to fossil fuels
being mostly already consumed well before 2100.

Let's see if the recent stagnation of global warming continues for a few
more years, and then IPCC forecasts will be forced into adjustment to a
milder forecast of global warming.

One thing to keep in mind is that less than 2 degrees C of warming from
1961-1990 "baseline" is "largely considered safe" for Greenland's thick
ice sheet. For one thing, the Minoan Warm Period (peaking ~1000 years BC)
is by most accounts slightly warmer than the 1998-2010 stretch, and there
were even warmer times in the previous 2-3 millennia, due to the
Milankovitch cycles being more favorable to warmth then than now.
 
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