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Good match ?: 7.1 Receiver: Denon AVR 1709 + 7.1 Speakers: from Creative Labs GigaWorks S750

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Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,

I am considering to combine the following two electronics:

1. 7.1 Receiver: Denon AVR 1709

Per speaker: 80 W, 8 ohms

or (?)

Per speaker: 110 W, 6 ohms

2. 7.1 Speakers from Creative Labs GigaWorks S750

Per speaker: 75 W, 8 ohms (mid-woofer)
? W, 4 ohms (tweeter)

(^According to xbitlabs, Creative Labs doesn't tell).

I am wondering if this is a good idea ?!?

What do you experts think ?

If you need more information/specifications here are some links to manuals
and websites:

1. Receiver manual, (specification at the bottom/last page):

http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-1709_Lit702.pdf

2. Speakers manual, (specification at last page):

http://www.fixya.com/support/p279053-creative_labs_gigaworks_s750_computer/manual-1875/page-12

Extra information/specification for speakers (from xbitlabs website):

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/creative-gigaworks-s750_2.html#sect0

Specification-Quote:

"
The satellites of the system are equipped with two speakers: a mid-woofer
(middle frequencies) with a diffuser of 3" in diameter and an input
resistance of 8 Ohms, and a high-frequency 1-inch 4Ohm tweeter. There is a
crossover board inside each satellite and the volume of the case is filled
with synthetic wool.
"

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Hmm... comparing features:

Denon AVR 1709

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4240.asp

vs

Denon AVR 1609:

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4239.asp


It seems the 1609 has a few more features, for example direct stereo mode...
I am not sure what that is ? But it might just be the thing I am looking for
for my soundblaster (?)

The only big difference I could see is that 1609 has one hdmi port less...
which for now I don't intend to use... I will be using analog inputs and
outputs (8).

The 1609 could also be used as a 6 channel receiver instead of 8 channel
that's kinda interesting too.

The 1709 has one extra hdmi port... which might be better for the future if
soundblasters start using hdmi ? or maybe hdmi not ment for soundblasters...
in that case hdmi is meaningless for me...

The 1709 says multi channel stereo modes: 5/6/7
The 1609 says multi channel stereo modes: checked. (not sure what that means
?)

The 1609 has auto setup calibration while the 1709 does not,
I am not sure if auto setup calibration is usefull or a drawback...

The 1709 seems to have better video bandwidth but I don't care about
video...

For 1609 it says: microprocessor reset Y/p.44
For 1709 it says: microprocessor reset Y/p.46

Not sure what that means... does that mean user page 44 or what ? Or is that
a processor type ?

The 1709 comes with an extra remote, and extra zone but I don't really need
that.

So far specification examination...

Now I go inspection the manual and the back sides to make sure the 1609 has
the necessary
connections as well.

I could save 100 bucks switching from 1709 to 1609 ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok,

Inspecting manual... the 1709 manual has one extra page compared to the 1609
manual.

1609 manual: http://usa.denon.com/AVR-1609-OM-E_205A.pdf
1709 manual: http://usa.denon.com/AVR-1709-OM-E_207A.pdf

1. So far the differences on the back of the devices are:

1709 has one more extra input for video/tv stuff.
1709 has one more extra input for hdmi/video/dvd player stuff.
1709 has one more extra output for zone2 (one (?) speaker for extra room or
so).

The rest of the back of the devices is the same.

2. Remote controls are the same, except 1709 has one extra sub remote.

3. Connections/cables are the same.

4. The 1709 seems to have some kind of video conversion support for hdmi vs
analog, s-video, and components.
However it comes with a lot of "catches"... and it might not operate.. so
doesn't seem to usefull or reliable.

5. Speaker connections/installation is the same. (Only the picture of the
connections changed a bit, probably for more clearity)

The manual contains an interesting part about the "protection circuit". It
says when using speakers of lower impedance... in other words 4 ohms it
says... and high sound levels (what's that supposed to mean, high volume ?
maybe high frequencies..hmm) then the device might overheat ! and the
protection circuit will be actived ! and it will start blinking red ! It is
advised to turn off the device to let it cool down ! Even if ventilation is
proper it might still overheat ! Hmmm.. I hope it won't damage the device...
as long as it doesn't do any damage I am cool with it otherwise not ! ;) But
then again I should have warranty.

(hmm maybe gigaworks s750 had a protection circuit too that was triggerred
when I turned the device on... saw it happen a few times... pure speculation
;) probably can't be.. because it was probably off and no sound was playing
so it was just something weird.)

6. Connecting equipment with hdmi connectors same, apperently hdmi is for
video and audio too... but receiver only uses video signal... audio signal
should be connected differently ;) :) So much for that lol. (Monitor example
was given, monitors usually only need video ;))

7. Connecting the monitor... the 1609 has a simple setup input type = output
type, video conversions cannot be done... this is show by a flow diagram...
it's the opposite of the 1709 previous page... hehe kinda funny/interesting.
video input formats: hdmi, component video, s-video and video. I think they
mean output formats here but ok input=output :)

My HP L2335 monitor supports the last 3 formats/connectors in a left side
panel, where a little thing can be popped off... pretty cool !
Now I just need some special cables for it... maybe I already have a pair...
I'll have to check the box.
Maybe it came with my graphics card or so... I think I have seen some of
these cables before...

Hmm this could mean I could use the monitor and the dvd/video of the
receiver as an entertainment system... I don't plan on doing this... but
suppose I someday receive a DVD from somebody with some special audio/video
encoding on it which my mighty pc might not support or handle then I could
stuff it in the receiver and then play it on my LCD monitor for superb
quality I would think... pretty cool... this makes the extra bandwidth from
the 1709 a little bit more interesting to examine and look at ;)

I shall now temporarely stop with reviewing the manuals... before I screw
this posting up...

I will continue in a moment in a next post !

Most interesting !

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Continued:


(\/ these numbers below are not page numbers... just point indications I am
examining in the manual for differences)

8. Connecting cd players same.
(I don't need this)

9. Connecting ipod same.
(I don't have one and probably never will ;))

10. Connecting tv/cable tuner same. Hmm what is that, some kind of tv
decoder ? Hmm.
(I only have a tv)

11. Connecting casette recorder same, that's kinda cool but old fashioned.
(I don't have any casette recorders anymore ;))

12. Connecting cd recorder/md recorder/tape deck same.
(What's an md recorder ? Who was loose cd recorders nowadays ? wow)

13. Connecting video camera / game console same.
(This/video input is getting old too (?), digital camcorders are on the way
with flash things(?))

14. Sirius connector same
(I don't have a sirius subscription)

15. Antenna terminals slightly different, some text/drawings moved to next
page. (AM/FM)
(Pretty cool now I could have my very first radio, except I never listen to
radio :))
(But in case of emergencies could be nice, especially when internet and tv
down or so)
(But it's dangerous as well.. external antenna connection needs to be
grounded)

16. External controller vs Zone2 difference here...

I don't understand this connector Zone2... weird.

17. Connecting the power cord same.
(Apperently both devices have extra power sockets to connect other audio
equipment to the receiver
so that the receiver can supply the power... only audio equipment should be
connected, not hairdryes ?! hmm :))

18. Operations/Menu map almost the same.
Difference is: Subwoofer ATT. vs SW ATT probably means same... what does
ATT mean ? hmm.

19. Audio setup same.

20. Auto setup same.

21. Check/Store same.

22. System setup same.

23. Speaker setup same, text just moved a bit.

24. Distance, crossover frequency, test tone same.

25. Restore and input setup same.

26. Now many items come which I will skip here and just name the
differences:

1709: extra: component in assign.
1709: extra: video convert.

27. Option setup slight differences:

1709: Has extra FrontA and FrontB settings.
(Extra speakers apperently possible but would require speakers of 12 to 16
ohm, I read that somewhere else
in the manual or specification... didn't mention it sooner but now seeing
this it's good to mention this).
(So that's the catch to the extra zone haha !)
(Actually this is a bit confusing... 1609 has zone2 as well... but
apperently 1709 has 2 extra speakers)

28. Now some difference occurs:
1709: 2-channel direct stereo special modes and distances.

29. Surround modes same.

30. DSP Simulation Playback, Direct playback, Stero playback all same.

31. Surround parameters same. (some abbrevations written in full on 1709)

32. First page of surround parameters same.

33. Second page of surround parameters same.

34. Third page of surround parameters same.
(Audyssey Dynamic EQ sounds interesting, maybe it can bring back the voices
of the soldiers in company of heroes' when they are mumbling
to them selves... I can hear it on the headphone but never on the
speakers... maybe my back speakers were set to low or whatever so with this
new receivers will be interesting to see if I can hear the soldiers mumbling
;))

35. Fourth page of surround parameters same.
(Night mode sounds very interesting... I am definetly gonna try that out)
(The restorer sounds even more interesting... this is like the x-fi
crystalizer ?! it tries to restore the original quality of mp3/wma/mpeg4
compression)
(will be interesting to see how x-fi crystalizer and denon receiver restorer
interact with each other... maybe two is too much of a good thing ? ;))
(Or maybe it gonna be awesome... for those people that don't have an x-fi...
this restorer function is something they should definetly check out !)

36. Information page same.

37. Playback page same.

38. Playback options same.
(The sound from speakers is automatically cut when headphone is plugged
in... this is not a good thing... this is how I damaged my gigaworks ?!?)
(Headphone should just always be in.. to prevent any charge from building up
in the headphone wire I guess... or to prevent any other discharge from
taking place, to bad they don't know about this... here is a skybuck
learning moment for them ! ;) :))
(It's probably better to turn off device first before plugging in
headphone... this might give headphone a chance to get rid of any currents
or so?)

39. Symbols page same.

40. Sirius satellite page same.

41. IPod playback page same.

42. Remote control buttons page same.
(I hope I can still operate my receiver if I break the remote or buttons
die... hmm...)

43. Other operations and functions same.
(I don't completely understand how to do "recording"... I think this needs a
"recording device attached" )
(Each channel volume apperently can be adjusted... nice...this is something
I could do from windows as well but ok in case a channel
needs extra power then this could be nice.)

44. Additional functions page same.
(personal memory plus seems nice... each input source can have it's own
settings,
further more each surround mode can have it's own settings as well.)

45. Remote control unit operations page almost same.
The only difference is the font/bars in manual look slightly different,
white instead of black/gray :)

46. Functions of buttons by component (remote control) page same.

47. Back side of remote control page same.
(wow this remote control has buttons on both sides ?! At first I thought
cool... but what if I place it on table or keyboard... will
it start freaking out... I hope not... probably not ? as long as it's not
pointed at device... but signals could bounce through room
so gotta be carefull with that remote a little bit me thinks ! ;) :))

48. Punch through function page different.
1709: has extra information for the extra remote.
Hmm seeing that little remote... makes me wonder where the volume buttons
are on the primary remote...
maybe tuning or tv vol... surely it has volume buttons ? ;) hmm)
(To me it seems like the little remote control was added because the primary
control is unstatisfactory ? hmm)
(I wonder if little remote control can operate the main unit/zones as well
?)

49. Amp Assign / Multi zone connections and operations different.
1709: has bi-amp playback for front speakers.
(Don't know exactly what that is... something with two amps or something...
this is getting a bit confusing in the 1709 manual)

50. Multi zone operations different too a bit..
Gets a bit confusing... the 1609 manual had a bit better drawing since both
remote control pictures are the same...
the 1709 has the little remote added to it. This could have been done/placed
better in 1709 manual.

51. About speaker installation same.

52. Surround sound formats page same.

53. Audyssey explanation page same.

54. Surround Modes and Parameters overview/diagrams page same.

55. Second page same.

56. Third page same.

57. Fourth page same.

58. Relation ship between video signals and monitor output extra page only
for 1709.
Video convert overview/diagram.

59. Troubleshooting page 1 same. (except page numbers a bit different)

60. Troubleshooting page 2 same.

61. Troubleshooting page 3 almost same. (has some extra video
troubleshooting for 1709)

62. Specifications page some differences.

Lower wattage for 1609.
Lower frequency response for video... 30 Mhz vs 60 Mhz was does this do ?
Hmm.
(Maybe they made a typoe and this is supposed to be refresh rate 30 fps and
60 fps ?)
Lower ampere/power usage for 1609.
Specs for extra remote on 1709.

63. List of preset codes page 1 same.
(I am not sure what these preset codes are ? seems to be radio/tv channels
or so ?)

64. List of preset codes page 2 same.

65. Last page mostly blank/same.

Ok peeps that's it... these two models more or less the same it seems to me.

They have a shit load of functionality... so I can have some fun playing
with it...

But just reading this manual makes me a bit tired wooooww... ;) :)

But being able to change pretty much every setting could be nice... but
probably overkill
for most average consumers... but time will tell after I have one of these
babies.

The 1609 seems safer for me because of lower wattage ratings... which should
go well with my speakers.

I only wonder if there is any difference in the quality between both models
?

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Both models seem to be from the same year/availability from the
specifications:

July 2008... so I would guess same quality build ?! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
D

Dave

Jan 1, 1970
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Would you FRIGGIN STOP with the idiot posts?

I have an idea. Since you seem to have unlimited time to post on this
newsgroup, maybe you can spend some of that time educating yourself rather
than posting stupid, inane questions here which any trained monkey could
answer with a few keystrokes on google.com. There is a virtually unlimited
wealth of information on the internet, all of your posts from the 12th and
13th of August (um, maybe sit down and think about all the things you want
to ask and put them in one post instead of clogging up the newsgroup with
one-question posts?) relate to the same question which has been asked and
answered 10,000 times since the creation of usenet.
 
R

Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:46:00 +0000, Dave top-posted:
[top-post repaired]
....
Would you FRIGGIN STOP with the idiot posts?
Some believe he might be suffering from Asperger's.

And don't top-post.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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James T. Kirk©

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave schreef:
Would you FRIGGIN STOP with the idiot posts?
Please don't crosspost in dutch languaged newsgroups
 
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James T. Kirk©

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich Grise schreef:
Some believe he might be suffering from Asperger's.

And don't top-post.

Please don't crosspost in dutch languaged newsgroups
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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Would you FRIGGIN STOP with the idiot posts?

He won't stop until people like you stop responding to his trolls. All
your post did was to encourage him to post more garbage. He's 14 years
old, a rather ugly geek (I'd guess) who has no life. He won't discover
girls for another year or two, and they won't discover him until he's
made a lot of money. Please don't encourage his acts any more by
responding to his posts. Twit filter him, and twit filter anyone who
is ignorant enough to respond to Starbuck's threads.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich Grise schreef:

Please don't crosspost in dutch languaged newsgroups

How about going away?

groeten,

...Jim Thompson
 
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James T. Kirk©

Jan 1, 1970
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PeterD schreef:
He won't stop until people like you stop responding to his trolls. All
your post did was to encourage him to post more garbage. He's 14 years
old, a rather ugly geek (I'd guess) who has no life. He won't discover
girls for another year or two, and they won't discover him until he's
made a lot of money. Please don't encourage his acts any more by
responding to his posts. Twit filter him, and twit filter anyone who
is ignorant enough to respond to Starbuck's threads.

Please stop crossposting in dutch languaged groups in english. (every
groupname with "nl" in it.
 
J

James T. Kirk©

Jan 1, 1970
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André schreef:
PeterD heeft uiteengezet op 21-8-2009 :


If he's really 14 years old, than his English skills are pretty good for
a Dutch guy.
English is everybody's second language in Holland, except for the 2
million non western foreigners here :-( .

Please stop crossposting in dutch languaged groups in english. (every
groupname with "nl" in it.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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He won't read it. He's snipped out the groups he reads and is
polluting the others. Typical Europeon.

I zapped him ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
P

PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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PeterD schreef:

Please stop crossposting in dutch languaged groups in english. (every
groupname with "nl" in it.


Het spijt me, maar mijn Nederlands is erg slecht.
 
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Henk van den Hof

Jan 1, 1970
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André said:
PeterD heeft uiteengezet op 21-8-2009 :


If he's really 14 years old, than his English skills are pretty good for a
Dutch guy.

--
Hij heeft wel het stel hersenen van een 14 jarige.
 
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