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Help - Need to slow down relay pickup


Lemon Joke Kid

Jan 1, 1970
The circuit is something like this:

+ ----||--------(P)------(S)----- -

This is an electromechanical annunciator. There are actually 40 P
coils tied to the S coil. It operates as follows: Field contacts
close, energizing their corresponding P coil and the S coil. The P
coil picks up, dropping a flag to indicate which field contact picked

The S coil drops a flag giving local indication of station trouble.
It also closes a set of contacts to give remote station trouble

Under normal conditions it works fine, because the field contacts
generally close and stay closed for most alarms. The problem is when
we have very brief, intermittent contact closures either due to a
mechanical problem with the field device, a device hanging very close
to set point, or possibly grounded wiring between the annunciator and
the field device.

The problem is the flags on the P coils don't seem to drop as fast as
the flags on the S coil. The P coils need to be energized longer than
the S coil to get the flag to drop. The result is a flag down on the
S coil indicating station trouble, but no P coil flag to indicate
which point is giving the alarm.

A simple fix is to give a slight delay to the S coil to ensure that
any contact closure that is of long enough duration to get S to drop
will also be long enough to allow P to drop. I thought I could
accomplish this with a simple RC network across the S coil.

I experimented with a few different capacitor values and a resistance
decade box. I did get a slight amount of delay, but much less than I
expected. Changing values didn't make much difference. I only need
probably 1/4 sec. delay, 1/2 sec. at the very most and I need to do
this as simply as possible.

Any thoughts?


Jan 1, 1970
Bigger capacitor OR a darlington driver with a capacitor on the input
(effect = beta x capacitance).