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John Popelish

Jan 1, 1970
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mowhoong said:
During my school days about 35 years ago, we were taught in our
physics lessons, the radio wave only travels or reflect in our
atmosphere when we listen to FM/AM ,CV band, Air band boardcast. But
I am curious to know how the radio wave communicate to the satellite
as air
do not even exist in space, this is just like vacuum space. Can any
kind soul out there explain? Thank you very much.
Regards

All frequencies of radio waves travel, without loss, through
the vacuum of space. But the atmosphere traps some bands of
frequency in a waveguide effect, near the surface of
Earth. Those frequencies allow long distance communication
around the curvature of Earth, but are poor choices for
communication between surface and space. But even these
frequencies leak out into space, to some extent, especially
when launched near the vertical. Here is a paper that goes
into more detail:
http://www.ips.gov.au/Category/Educational/Other Topics/Radio Communication/Intro to HF Radio.pdf

But there are lots of frequency choices that are not
reflected much by the atmosphere, but travel essentially in
a straight path through it into space, and back from space.
 
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mowhoong

Jan 1, 1970
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During my school days about 35 years ago, we were taught in our
physics lessons, the radio wave only travels or reflect in our
atmosphere when we listen to FM/AM ,CV band, Air band boardcast. But
I am curious to know how the radio wave communicate to the satellite
as air
do not even exist in space, this is just like vacuum space. Can any
kind soul out there explain? Thank you very much.
Regards
 
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Fjiluk The Hogfish-Beater

Jan 1, 1970
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During my school days about 35 years ago, we were taught in our
physics lessons, the radio wave only travels or reflect in our
atmosphere when we listen to FM/AM ,CV band, Air band boardcast. But
I am curious to know how the radio wave communicate to the satellite
as air
do not even exist in space, this is just like vacuum space. Can any
kind soul out there explain? Thank you very much.
Regards


All waveforms from the bottom of the radio frequency spectrum and above
can travel effortlessly through the vacuum of space. Some are however
reflected off the Ionosphere (LW-MW-HF) or ducted through the Troposphere
(VHF) but still largely manage to make it into space.--
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Charles Schuler

Jan 1, 1970
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mowhoong said:
During my school days about 35 years ago, we were taught in our
physics lessons, the radio wave only travels or reflect in our
atmosphere when we listen to FM/AM ,CV band, Air band boardcast. But
I am curious to know how the radio wave communicate to the satellite
as air
do not even exist in space, this is just like vacuum space. Can any
kind soul out there explain? Thank you very much.

Ether is dead ... gone ... kaput ... killed by Einstein and others ... April
Fool!
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Charles said:
Ether is dead ... gone ... kaput ... killed by Einstein and others ... April
Fool!


Be kind, Charles, Some of them are fools all year long.


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prove it.
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Central Florida
 
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feebo

Jan 1, 1970
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During my school days about 35 years ago, we were taught in our
physics lessons, the radio wave only travels or reflect in our
atmosphere when we listen to FM/AM ,CV band, Air band boardcast. But
I am curious to know how the radio wave communicate to the satellite
as air
do not even exist in space, this is just like vacuum space. Can any
kind soul out there explain? Thank you very much.
Regards

The radio transmission does not rely on the oscillation of the air in
the same way sound does.

If it helps to get your head round the idea, think of it along the
following lines...

radio waves are electro-magnetic.

ask yourself - "do magnets work in a vacuum?"

In the vacuum of space, radio energy travels quite effectively - it
does lose energy over distance but the losses are much smaller than in
air etc.

remember those experiments you did with a bit of wire going through
some paper, pass a current through the wire and sprinkle iron filings
on the paper to see the lines of magnetic flux around the wire? Think
of radio waves as the lines of filings and think of the antenna as a
wire cutting the lines of flux (and so inducing a voltage - generator
theory) - this is not precisely how it works but the illustration is
good for now.

radio waves pass through any medium with varying losses... some media
have little effect, others will stop them dead in their tracks. It's
not just down to the substance of the media either, it could be it's
electrical properties or construction or a mixture - google "faraday
cage"

Now, think back to audio for a second (as your initial question seemed
to centre on oscillations of the air)... when some kid in his car goes
past with the stereo wound right up, all you hear is the bass, right?
Very generally, the higher the frequency, the shorter the distance of
effective transmission through a medium. Low frequencies penetrate the
walls of the vehicle (and the air) better than the high frequencies...

whale-song is very low frequency and travels for miles through the
oceans... elephants use growls of <20Hz to communicate between herds
that may be miles apart on the savanna.

Submarines also use ULF when submerged and their radio signals travel
right round the globe. A listening station not far from me was used
during the cold-war to co-ordinate submarine fleets thousands of miles
away. Problem with ULF is the data-rate is very low - messages take a
relatively long time to transmit and recieve, so submarines prefer to
surface to communicate with normal frequency radio - usually at
pre-arranged times.
 
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mowhoong

Jan 1, 1970
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The radio transmission does not rely on the oscillation of the air in
the same way sound does.

If it helps to get your head round the idea, think of it along the
following lines...

radio waves are electro-magnetic.

ask yourself - "do magnets work in a vacuum?"

In the vacuum of space, radio energy travels quite effectively - it
does lose energy over distance but the losses are much smaller than in
air etc.

remember those experiments you did with a bit of wire going through
some paper, pass a current through the wire and sprinkle iron filings
on the paper to see the lines of magnetic flux around the wire? Think
of radio waves as the lines of filings and think of the antenna as a
wire cutting the lines of flux (and so inducing a voltage - generator
theory) - this is not precisely how it works but the illustration is
good for now.

radio waves pass through any medium with varying losses... some media
have little effect, others will stop them dead in their tracks. It's
not just down to the substance of the media either, it could be it's
electrical properties or construction or a mixture - google "faraday
cage"

Now, think back to audio for a second (as your initial question seemed
to centre on oscillations of the air)... when some kid in his car goes
past with the stereo wound right up, all you hear is the bass, right?
Very generally, the higher the frequency, the shorter the distance of
effective transmission through a medium. Low frequencies penetrate the
walls of the vehicle (and the air) better than the high frequencies...

whale-song is very low frequency and travels for miles through the
oceans... elephants use growls of <20Hz to communicate between herds
that may be miles apart on the savanna.

Submarines also use ULF when submerged and their radio signals travel
right round the globe. A listening station not far from me was used
during the cold-war to co-ordinate submarine fleets thousands of miles
away. Problem with ULF is the data-rate is very low - messages take a
relatively long time to transmit and recieve, so submarines prefer to
surface to communicate with normal frequency radio - usually at
pre-arranged times.

Thanks to all members who responsed to my posting.
Best Regards
 
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