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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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C'mon, asshole. Still waiting for your witty reply.
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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East Texas was (and still is heavily forested) noted for it's extensive
forests.

Try decaf, Robert- that way you'll actually READ the subject matter before
replying.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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Not so. I don't even know you. :^)

Ladies, ladies... let's all play nice now.


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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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East Texas was (and still is heavily forested)
noted for it's extensive forests.

I've been there. You've got some very nice trees. It's still
not -- and never was -- the primary source of US lumber. You
guys do have a thriving sage brush industry though. :^)
Try decaf, Robert- that way you'll actually READ
the subject matter before replying.

Try using an appropriate metaphor. The decaf crack is usually
directed at folks who respond to disagreement with a barrage of
gutter talk like what you posted.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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"About one-half of the timber left is in the three Pacific Coast
states, and over 61 per cent is west of the Great Plains."

That doesn't sound like Texas to me.
There were 27,000 recorded forest fires in 1919, burning a
total of 8¼ million acres. During the preceding year, 25,000
fires burned over 10½ million acres of forest land. An
addi­tional large acreage was burned each year, of which
no record could be obtained.

Yes, we know there were forest fires before George Bush came
along to destroy the rest of the country. What that does not say
is that there were severe lumber shortages... because there
weren't... between WWI and II.
According to estimates published in American Forestry, Sept.
1920: "The bulk of the original supplies of yellow pine in the
South will be gone in ten years, and within seven years 3,000
manufacturing plants will go out of business."

So, when the OP's home was under construction, there was a
prediction that 10 years hence there would be a severe shortage
of yellow pine. And this affected construction of his home in
what manner?
Going back to the middle of the last century, we can dis­tinctly
trace the history of the lumber of the country at ten year
intervals by showing the relative importance of the several
pro­ducing regions.

That was about as pertinent to the question at hand as an olsonic
comment. Eschew obfuscation.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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http://www.kuffelcreek.com/1920's_construction.htm

Here ya go. Look's easy to wire....


BTW- My wife's from Nagogdoches. They call the forests there the "Piney
Woods". It's essentially the other end of the Ozark mountain range. One of
the many forest areas in North America that were heavily depleted. Following
WW1, housing demand was up, labor costs were up, lumber production was down
due to scarcity of supply and transportation costs, but demand shot up,
causing prices to double or triple. Folks built smaller and/or built with
less costly materials and used methods which reduced labor costs. reinforced
concrete, bricks, stone, stell, and slab construction during this time were
very common. I've worked in dozens of homes built during this era, and they
are more difficult to wire than Post WW2 homes. Much more difficult, in many
cases.

If you believe that older homes are "almost as easy" as wiring a newer home,
you're not only mistaken, but you're obviously overstating your actual
experience with homes from that era.

I'm done with the thread. Everyone already knows you're a know-it-all
hot-air-spewing self-serving idiot, so any further revelation of your
obvious lack of knowledge of, a)- early 20th century North American
dwelling construction, b)- designing and installing low voltage systems in
aforementioned dwellings, c)- simple American history vis-a-vis lumber
shortages during/shortly after WW1 (and during the depression, and during
WW2), or d)- how to avoid showing everyone how truly ignorant you are of
the very things you espouse to be so 'knowlegeable' of, is unnecessary.

Go have a donut, and contemplate the center of that donut very carefully.
This represents the value of your self-serving contributions to this group.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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BTW- My wife's from Nagogdoches...

I'll send a condolence card.
... other end of the Ozark mountain range. One of
the many forest areas in North America that were
heavily depleted...
Following WW1, housing demand was up, labor costs
were up, lumber production was down...

It's all being systematically depleted even today. The present
administration is making certain of that. However, there was
never a time other than during the wars when you could not obtain
enough lumber to build a house. Lumber prices went up during the
post-war construction boom. So did the cost of brick, concrete
and every other building material.
Folks built smaller and/or built with less costly materials
and used methods which reduced labor costs. reinforced
concrete, bricks, stone, stell, and slab construction...

Brick construction has never been less expensive than wood
framing. Masonry walls take more than twice the time to build
than wood. Materials are not cheaper either.
I've worked in dozens of homes built during this era...

Dozens? You're just getting started. I've installed hundreds of
security, intercom and whole-house audio systems in older homes.
I've also completely rewired the AC and replaced virtually all of
the plumbing in two of them which I owned and done most of that
working with friends on their own homes over the years.
and they are more difficult to wire than Post WW2 homes.

Slightly so.
Much more difficult, in many cases.

Only if you haven't any idea how to do it.
If you believe that older homes are "almost as easy" as
wiring a newer home, you're not only mistaken, but you're
obviously overstating your actual experience with homes
from that era.

I've done a bit more work in older homes than what you describe,
friend. I've been in this trade for 29 years, 24 of them running
a small alarm company. During all of that time I installed and
ran service calls. A major portion of my customers were in old
New England homes. I've wired everything from ultra-modern to
several homes on the national historical register.
I'm done with the thread.

It's been such a pleasure chatting with you.
Everyone already knows you're a know-it-all hot-air-spewing
self-serving idiot...

Awe, gee! Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. You can't
imagine how badly I feel just knowing that you feel that way.
Whatever will I do?
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... simple American history vis-a-vis lumber shortages
during/shortly after WW1 (and during the depression,
and during WW2),

You've still not managed to explain how WWII and the Great
Depression impacted construction in 1920. Were the trees
precognizant?
how to avoid showing everyone how truly ignorant you are...

Fortunately, I've got such a fine example in you. :^)
Go have a donut, and contemplate the center of that donut
very carefully...

Can't. I already ate the darned thing.
This represents the value of your self-serving contributions
to this group.

Ah, such devastating wit. Have you considered a career in
theater?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Careful there, Robert will now explain how he's done thousands of those
particular houses and how easy they are for a DIY'er
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
I've been there. You've got some very nice trees. It's still
not -- and never was -- the primary source of US lumber. You
guys do have a thriving sage brush industry though. :^)


Try using an appropriate metaphor. The decaf crack is usually
directed at folks who respond to disagreement with a barrage of
gutter talk like what you posted.

I'm there now, you obviously haven't seen it in years or you'd know east
Texas as well as Arkansas are a major lumber source mostly because the
moonbat liberals from the west coast haven't made there way over here yet
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
I think you have me confused with one of your paramours.


Do you think you'd understand?

You have to admit tho he's given several specifics where you on the other
hand have relied on vague recollection and assumptions
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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Go have a donut, and contemplate the center of that donut very carefully.
This represents the value of your self-serving contributions to this group.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Go have a donut, and contemplate the center of that donut very carefully.
This represents the value of your self-serving contributions to this group.

You're repeating yourself a lot lately. Did you forget posting
the exact same blather earlier in the day? Have you been to your
gerontologist lately? Come to think of it, do you even remember
his name?

*1. Memory loss. Forgetting recently learned information is one
of the most common early signs of dementia. A person begins to
forget more often and is unable to recall the information later.

Do you recall making an inappropriate crack about decaf?

*6. Problems with abstract thinking. Someone with Alzheimer’s
disease may have unusual difficulty performing complex mental
tasks, like forgetting what numbers are for and how they should
be used.

I notice you seem to become extremely agitated over trivial
things, for example a difference of opinion about lumber 85 years
ago.

*8. Changes in mood or behavior. Someone with Alzheimer’s disease
may show rapid mood swings – from calm to tears to anger – for no
apparent reason. On the plus side, people with Alzheimer's have
certain advantages. For one, they meet new people every day.

* http://www.alz.org/AboutAD/Warning.asp

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Eric said:
I am in the midst of designing an alarm system for my residence. I have
four exterior entrances (front, back, two sets of french doors) and one
to the garage I would like to alarm. This is an circe 1920 house so
installing the switches may not be a walk in park. How much effort
should I put into hard-wiring the switches before I look to RF? I do
have a basement will (nearly) full access to the areas below the doors.

Thanks,
Eric

Hi Eric,

I just thought I'd let this thread play out a little before I posted
what I presume has become most obvious to you by now.

Robert Bass is a trouble maker and a fraud who just happens to take up
space in this Newsgroup of alarm installers. He's an unlicensed former
installer who is only interested in defaming installation companies so
that he can convince end users who come here for advice to buy
equipment from him. He posts unrealistic, vague, and actually wrong
methods of installing alarm equipment, so that it will appeal and seem
realistic to anyone without any experience.

As you might be able to guess, there's not a regular participant in
this group that is not targeted by Bass's arrogance and nasty conduct
when he is opposed. If all of this isn't enough of a thorn in the side
of the "regulars" here, the very fact that this man is a convicted
felon and responsible for the death of someone, only adds to his
incredible lies and misdirection about his experience and background in
this industry. Additionally, through the years in Usenet he's caused
similar and the same constant upheaval in other Newsgroups. His stated
favorite pastime is going real life with people who oppose him by
calling their employers and telling lies about them putting their jobs
in jeopardy. And you know what the amazing thing about all this is?
It's all documented in Usenet. Doing a google search under his name in
an aviation group from years ago shows that he was actually cast out of
a Newsgroup for lying about people to their employer, stealing
proprietary information from someone, and trying to have someone pilots
license revoked by lying and saying they were flying while intoxicated.
Add to that the countless times he's been caught lying along with his
bad BBB rating and numbers of complaints from disatisfied customers, in
this group.

I could take the time to poke numerous holes in his recommendations
about installing door contacts but all of the truly experienced people
here can already see them. Just beware of anything this persons says,
does, or may try to convince you to do. At this point you've barely
seen a smidgen of the chaos and distruction of this group that this
nasty jerk causes here, and has, through the years.
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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Go have a donut, and contemplate the center of that donut very carefully.
This represents the value of your self-serving contributions to this group.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Sorry to have offended you by disagreeing with you. It's
unfortunate that you are unable to accept disagreement without
resorting to such childish outbursts.

You were doing fine until the second sentence.

I don't mind if you can't come up with a reasonable counterpoint
other than the above, but perhaps you can at least try to explain
how shortages in WWII (1939 to 1945) and the great depression
(which started in 1929) affected construction in 1920.

Without benefit of your vast knowledge of history, we can only
assume that the lumber market anticipated the troubles to come
and dried up years in advance. Boggles the mind, eh?

To the point, if you want to try to dissuade people from DIY, I
can understand your motive.

Reading "between the lines" again, are we?? Why is it that you see
people "against DIY" when all I see is someone with experience telling a
prospective DIY that it's better (in this instance) to employ someone
with some knowledge and experience to run wires in a house that could
easily present some unusual challenges?

You make a living installing alarms.
No problem. I advocate DIY and I make a living catering to
DIYers via my online alarm system store.

You mean your *four* online alarm stores, don't you?

It's natural that I
want to explain how to do this sort of thing, just as it is
natural that you want to make people believe that doing so is
dangerous / impossible / against the law / whatever.

I didn't see him making any such suggestion. "Them's your words, pardna".

I would suggest though that you stick to facts. Try not to make
up stories or at least try to use ones that aren't so silly.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Pot, Kettle, Black!!

It
doesn't make you sound knowledgeable when you try to associate
lumber shortages in WWII with construction issues in homes that
were built a generation *before* WWII. It just sounds like
you're trying *very* hard to prove an unprovable argument, to
wit, that there's some sort of "art" to installing alarms. There
isn't.

You truly are a maroon, aren't you Bass?

This isn't rocket science. It's not a profession like medicine
or engineering. It's a blue collar trade requiring little or no
education. Your tirade above only serves to prove the point.

And yours proves nothing more than your own agenda in this group.
"Stanley" provided some very sound advice. You offered nothing but
nonsense (your use of a 1/2" "feeler bit" was even worse than the
"splice in the attic")... I don't know of *any* installer that would
drill a pilot hole with a 1/2" bit... That's a lot like using a backhoe
to dig your window box...
 
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