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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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"Sylvia Else is an INSANE TROLL"




** Go drop dead.

For crying out loud Phil. What's the problem?

You can look at it, and either say, "No, see XYZ", or you can say "Seems
so, stupid nanny state." Neither outcome reflects on your masculinity,
or anything else that you might hold dear.

But instead, your become abusive. It makes no sense.

Sylvia.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Metro said:
How do you know?

I hate to say but I think you are wrong. The head of the screw always screws
down on to the clamp. Gives more surface area on the clamp for a start. And
for the life of me how do you get a driver into the head when it's
underneath the clamp without taking it all apart. Did you show HPM your
little piccy? What was their comment? DFT won't be much help as all HPM
stuff is submitted for test by the ASA. If they say OK then my friend it's
OK. Have you thought that the little chinaman on assembly got it wrong. I
believe if you really had shown HPM that plug top in that state they would
be on to it like a rocket.
That coppery looking bit has the thread in it so it would not work your way.
 
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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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It may be. I've been looking at the legislation, starting with

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

and so far I haven't found any way to avoid the need for a licence to so
much as attach a plug to an appliance.

The legislation is so restrictive, they even needed a special subsection
to allow people to install things that plug into mains outlets:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s18.html

"2) However, the following are not electrical work--

(a) installing or removing electrical equipment by connecting it to
electricity, or disconnecting it from electricity, by a plug and socket
outlet"

So QLD's another state I won't be moving to.

Sylvia.

Since I'm in the mood for it, let's examine the QLD law a bit.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

"(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical
work licence for the purpose of the following--
....
(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;"

Apparently even a nanny state can recognise that you can't expect
someone to try to call out a sparky to replace a lamp socket when
they're 500km from the nearest town.

Mind you, "remote rural installation work" is defined in the dictionary

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/sch2.html

as

"remote rural installation work means work on an electrical installation
if all the following circumstances apply--
....

(d) a person holding an appropriate electrical work licence is not
available to perform the work because of the remote location of the farm
or grazing property."

So before you get to work replacing that lamp socket on your remote
rural property, you have to ponder the question of whether a sparky is
"available". In practice, whether one's available is just going to
depend on how much you're willing to pay.

Mind you, that's not your only problem. You're allowed to work an a
remote rural installation without a licence, but an item is part of an
installation only if it is permanently connected to it. So you can put
that cable down - it's no use to you. You can't trim the insulation off
the wire until it's connected to the installation, and you obviously
can't connect it until you've trimmed the insulation off.

Just gotta love nanny state governments.

Sylvia.
 
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Metro

Jan 1, 1970
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F Murtz said:
That coppery looking bit has the thread in it so it would not work your
way.
Correct. Good example of foot in mouth
 
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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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It is all hypothetical anyway.
Plenty do their own electrical work, and ignore the law. It has been a
long time since I have heard of a prosecution in the media, and in
these cases only because there was a death by electrocution.

There's a limitation period

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s187.html

and it will not normally be possible to determine when the offence
actually took place, if no one admits to having committed it.
The standards of training are a worry too,
.... of the more ridiculous statements made by the "teacher"
was ... that on double insulated items, you megger test from
active to neutral

Sheesh - who pays for the damage?

Sylvia.
 
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Metro

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia Else said:
Any recommendation as to an in-line socket I can get instead?

Arlec make one, but there's no indication on their web site as to how the
wires are attached.

Sylvia.
 
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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

I made representations to Fair Trading, and they raises the issue with
HPM. It appears my view has been accepted, and the product design will
be changed.

Sylvia.
 
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