# Internet connection

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#### klem kedidelhopper

Jan 1, 1970
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I have to install an Internet connection at a location somewhat
removed from the origination point. The building is very large, spread
out, and difficult to run wire through. Presently there already is a
connection terminated in an Rj45 at a point that is only used for one
week out of every year. All other times there is nothing plugged into
this jack but the connection remains active. In order to make the
connection to the new location about 100 feet away can I tap off the
existing jack and "daisy chain" the wire to the new location and then
terminate that wire in a second R45? I now this is not common practice
but if only one computer is using the line at any particular time
would this work? There will never be a time that two computers will
ever be operating on this line at the same time although for that week
in question they both may be plugged into it though. would this be an
issue? I can arrange to have the new location unplugged during this
time if need be. Thanks for any advice. Lenny

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#### mike

Jan 1, 1970
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I have to install an Internet connection at a location somewhat
removed from the origination point. The building is very large, spread
out, and difficult to run wire through. Presently there already is a
connection terminated in an Rj45 at a point that is only used for one
week out of every year. All other times there is nothing plugged into
this jack but the connection remains active. In order to make the
connection to the new location about 100 feet away can I tap off the
existing jack and "daisy chain" the wire to the new location and then
terminate that wire in a second R45?
yes, but only one can be plugged in and it will be a nightmare
for the next guy who tries to figger out why it doesn't work like it
should. Put a plug on the extension wire so you can have only one
connected.

Stick an ethernet switch at the location and you can have as many
plugged in as you have ports on the switch.
They're $10 on ebay, free at garage sales. If you walk outside in a populated area and yell, "I need an ethernet swtich," people will come out of the woodwork glad to get rid of them. You only have to have the switch powered for a week. I now this is not common practice C #### [email protected] Jan 1, 1970 0 I have to install an Internet connection at a location somewhat removed from the origination point. The building is very large, spread out, and difficult to run wire through. Presently there already is a connection terminated in an Rj45 at a point that is only used for one week out of every year. All other times there is nothing plugged into this jack but the connection remains active. In order to make the connection to the new location about 100 feet away can I tap off the existing jack and "daisy chain" the wire to the new location and then terminate that wire in a second R45? I now this is not common practice but if only one computer is using the line at any particular time would this work? There will never be a time that two computers will ever be operating on this line at the same time although for that week in question they both may be plugged into it though. would this be an issue? I can arrange to have the new location unplugged during this time if need be. Thanks for any advice. Lenny Mike I really like the idea of a plug on the extension wire. The existing jack is on a wall in a public building in a single gang lock box fed through 1/2 inch EMT. I can figure a way to arrange this so that the extension runs through another length of pipe into the same box and is then plugged into the existing jack and the box locked for the 51 weeks of the year that it isn'tused. That way the remote location will be live for those 51 weeks. When they need to use the present location for that one week, they'll simply unlock the box, unplug the extension wire, (similar to what you do to test a COline at a telephone interface Demarc point), thereby freeing up the line downstream. They can then connect their equipment without an issue. Great idea, Thanks, Lenny A #### Allodoxaphobia Jan 1, 1970 0 yes, but only one can be plugged in and it will be a nightmare for the next guy who tries to figger out why it doesn't work like it should. Put a plug on the extension wire so you can have only one connected. Stick an ethernet switch at the location and you can have as many plugged in as you have ports on the switch. They're$10 on ebay, free at garage sales.
If you walk outside in a populated area and yell, "I need an
ethernet swtich," people will come out of the woodwork glad to
get rid of them.
You only have to have the switch powered for a week.

Ethernet switches can also be found on the back of (unwanted) DSL modems
found on the shelves of second hand stores. Just put some black tape
over the blinking "DSL Fail" LED and you've got yourself an inexpensive
ethernet switch. Many DSL Modems come with 4-way switches. I did that
with an ActionTec DSL Modem for a few years, before I found a 10/100
5-Port LinkSys for \$5 on a shelf at a second hand store.

HTH
Jonesy

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for all the great ideas guys. I really appreciate them. Lenny

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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"No DSL modem comes with more than one ethernet port. "

Your posts indicate intelligence, are logical and all that, but this one time you erred. Claimed a negative. You know better.

Two 2WIRE modems I know (and actually did the setup) have four RJ45s as well as four channel 802.11. (g I think)

Of course you could argue that these are routers or whatever, but really fastforwarding through the argument which would be fruitless anyway, how different is it ? Isn't the DSL MODEM just a router or switch that connects to a "slightly" bigger network ?

Two ways of thinking about it but I think neither is wrong.

J

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#### josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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I have to install an Internet connection at a location somewhat
removed from the origination point. The building is very large, spread
out, and difficult to run wire through. Presently there already is a
connection terminated in an Rj45 at a point that is only used for one
week out of every year. All other times there is nothing plugged into
this jack but the connection remains active. In order to make the
connection to the new location about 100 feet away can I tap off the
existing jack and "daisy chain" the wire to the new location and then
terminate that wire in a second R45? I now this is not common practice
but if only one computer is using the line at any particular time
would this work? There will never be a time that two computers will
ever be operating on this line at the same time although for that week
in question they both may be plugged into it though. would this be an
issue? I can arrange to have the new location unplugged during this
time if need be. Thanks for any advice. Lenny

The real issue is line length to the next device. 100 meters or 320 feet
depending typical local units. Beyond that function is NOT guaranteed by
the standards. Non-compliant cables, connectors or other connections may
interfere with reliable as well.

?-)

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#### josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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Not bigger network, but different network. The definition of a router
is a device that connects two DIFFERENT networks at the IP layer (ISO
layer 3). One port is connected to the greater internet network. The
other port is connected to a local area network, that uses

I mostly agree with your distinction on the difference between modem and
router.
My definitions, which might be different than yours:

DSL Modem: DSL (actually ATM) to ethernet bridge. Everything done at
the MAC layer (ISO Layer 2) with no involvement with IP layer (ISO
layer 3) except for configuration management.

I do not think that what is appearing at the DSL end user terminals is ATM
but closer to VT45 or VT135 with highly compressed data. Moreover you are
looking at data likely being a shared service with a much more broadband
(TV) type service on the same pair.

?-)

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#### josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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It's an oversimplified definition, which falls apart on devices like a
brouters (bridge-router) and using a DSL modem to simultaneously
connect to multiple services. Simple definitions never seem to stay
simple.

Ok, you got me. What is V45 and V135? Google wasn't particularly
helpful by suggesting that VT meant vacuum tube. Are you thinking of
AT&T U-Verse IPTV service which uses VDSL? If so, I know nothing
because AT&T doesn't offer it in my area.

VT45 is the payload portion of an STS-1 (about equal to a DS-3), likewise
VT135 is the payload portion of an STS-3.
The DSL modem with diagnostics include "ATM Ping" which should be a
clue. Articles on how DSL works always mention ATM as the underlying
virtual circuit mechanism to connect to the DSLAM (ATM switch) which
does the IP packet reassembly from the tiny ATM pieces.
<http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-...ained-Part-2-Getting-to-the-Application-Layer>

Thanks for the link. It ties up a lot of loose ends for me. But the
signal coming down the wire to my modem-router does not seem to include

?-)

J

#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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"Give me a 2wire model number and my guess(tm) is that it will be
a router inside. All (and I do mean all) 2wire devices that have
built in wireless also have a router inside. Marketing may call is a
"modem", but if it has a router inside, it's really a "DSL router". "

It's a 2WIRE RG2701HG-00. One link calls it a modem and switch, another a modem switch/router and another a modem/router.

In the old days I got the gist of electronics, and I mean to where I could do a little bitt of designing. That was all analog. Even then some of the definitions were not memorized by me, like even though I know the names Colpitts and Hartley I couldn't tell you the (dis)advantages of either right now. I can look it up of course but I really only committ(ed) to memory what I need(ed).

I see no difference between a switch and a router, but of course there is.

What I see is that a router can have a hardware firewall, but I've never seen it on a switch. I may need to know these things soon if I go to get the network at work running again.

I know where to come.

J

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