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feklar

Jan 1, 1970
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Right. Equip every house with a generator unit that costs more than
most houses.

You're an idiot.

You are the only idiot around here, or maybe you just lack basic
reading comprehension skills.

"at nearby power company substations" being the operative phrase here.

As for the possibility of everyone having their own generator, search
the web for quasiturbine. Think "quasiturbine made of high
temperature cast resin or plastic or structural high strength glass
instead fos steel". That new development will obviously bring the
cost of generators down considerably. Less moving parts and therefore
less cost and less maintenence, can operate without direct internal
combustion in a much lower temperature range using expanding gas or
mere temperature difference.

The question here is whether it would be advantageous for everyone to
have one of these, or to have substations. Personally, I suspect
substations.

Not because of the costs, mind you, but because of the dangers
associated with fools trying to store oxygen and hydrogen in their
house as a power backup in case of a pipeline failure.

I suppose you will tell us next that the copper wire networks, power
poles, power line repairs for squirrels and especially for major storm
damage and lightning strikes, and line and pole maintenence, and
transformer networks are actually cheaper than the quasiturbines would
be... checked the price of 2 gauge stranded copper wire lately? Also,
the copper wire wears out every few decades from work hardening from
repeated flexing in the wind and must be replaced. Transformers last
20 to 30 years.) The power company could probably raise half the
funds required for the quasiturbines as well as for the local
pipelines by contracting (with qualifications like a backout clause)
to sell thier copper wires at a future date as scrap at a set price
per pound vs. the #1 scrap price at that time. Call your metal
recycler, and ask them what the scrap price is for #1 and #2 grade
copper, if you want to really be appalled.

It would probably be around $600 to $800 for a (mass-produced)
quasiturbine and a 20,000 kW generator, which is cheaper than the
costs the power company bears now in terms of equipment and
maintenence.

One's power bill (per kW of delivered energy) could easily stay the
same, at least until the pipeline cost was paid for. Then it would
drop.

But all this is still theoretical, and was and is being presented as
such. At first, and perhaps always, the power company would route the
pipleline to substations near the intended power delivery areas, and
convert it there to electricity into copper wires. As I stated.

The only immediate possible virtue of a pyrex pipeline would be
considerably reduced very long distance transmission losses. Or maybe
more immediately, for transmitting oil, gasoline, or natural gas to
eliminate the problem of metal failure from hydrogen or nitrogen
embrittlement in metal pipeline.


The Amazing and Mysterious Powers of Mexican Females.

Chapter 1: Levitation and Summoning.
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feklar

Jan 1, 1970
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You've told me all I need to know. You have a proposal thats been
looked at by many and always proven extremely impractical, and you
have nothing more thana vague idea, no numbers, no concrete design.

Just to be sure we are actually on the same page here, what is it you
think my proposal is?
Address the issue. Don't wander off into personalities. If you want to
get somewhere.

There are numerous large scale solar power approaches that work but
have been far too expensive to implement. My contribution is to
reduce the construction and materials cost so that many of them can
now be considered cost-effective and can be implemented now (in the
very near future).

Read this thread, but ignore the parts about reducing the cost of
offshore oil rigs with a new tye of undersea oil rig. Concentrate on
the other issue, the pyrex machine.

http://tinyurl.com/oowf or
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...the+red+planet+approaches&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en

and here
http://tinyurl.com/oowb or
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...103441058%40news.houston.sbcglobal.net&rnum=5

That new concept changes the costs involved in piplelines
considerably. One of its lesser attributes, but an attribute
nevertheless.
That doesn't do your cred any favours either.

Regards, NT

Well, it shows a lot more class than "Yo chumps, check out the hooters
on this wench", I thought...


The Amazing and Mysterious Powers of Mexican Females.

Chapter 1: Levitation and Summoning.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire2/ptaak/images/mexwench.jpg
 
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DarkMatter

Jan 1, 1970
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"at nearby power company substations" being the operative phrase here.


Natural gas turbine generators ARE in use all over the world, you
stupid twit. Your shit is weak. Very weak.
 
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Thinker

Jan 1, 1970
0
feklar said:
You are the only idiot around here, or maybe you just lack basic
reading comprehension skills.


"at nearby power company substations" being the operative phrase here.

As for the possibility of everyone having their own generator, search
the web for quasiturbine. Think "quasiturbine made of high
temperature cast resin or plastic or structural high strength glass
instead fos steel". That new development will obviously bring the
cost of generators down considerably. Less moving parts and therefore
less cost and less maintenence, can operate without direct internal
combustion in a much lower temperature range using expanding gas or
mere temperature difference.

The question here is whether it would be advantageous for everyone to
have one of these, or to have substations. Personally, I suspect
substations.

Not because of the costs, mind you, but because of the dangers
associated with fools trying to store oxygen and hydrogen in their
house as a power backup in case of a pipeline failure.

I suppose you will tell us next that the copper wire networks, power
poles, power line repairs for squirrels and especially for major storm
damage and lightning strikes, and line and pole maintenence, and
transformer networks are actually cheaper than the quasiturbines would
be... checked the price of 2 gauge stranded copper wire lately? Also,
the copper wire wears out every few decades from work hardening from
repeated flexing in the wind and must be replaced. Transformers last
20 to 30 years.) The power company could probably raise half the
funds required for the quasiturbines as well as for the local
pipelines by contracting (with qualifications like a backout clause)
to sell thier copper wires at a future date as scrap at a set price
per pound vs. the #1 scrap price at that time. Call your metal
recycler, and ask them what the scrap price is for #1 and #2 grade
copper, if you want to really be appalled.

It would probably be around $600 to $800 for a (mass-produced)
quasiturbine and a 20,000 kW generator, which is cheaper than the
costs the power company bears now in terms of equipment and
maintenence.



Do you have a source where I could purchase one of these turbines. It looks
interesting and since I have a source of the necesary gases I am looking for
an efficient machine to convert it to something usefull.
 
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N. Thornton

Jan 1, 1970
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On 25 Sep 2003 10:42:22 -0700, [email protected] (N. Thornton) wrote:
Just to be sure we are actually on the same page here, what is it you
think my proposal is?

vague, lacking details on which energy conversion process you'd use,
lacking any idea of evern if youd apply it to long distance
transmission or domestic supply...

There are numerous large scale solar power approaches that work but
have been far too expensive to implement.
My contribution is to
reduce the construction and materials cost so that many of them can
now be considered cost-effective and can be implemented now (in the
very near future).
how?


Read this thread, but ignore the parts about reducing the cost of
offshore oil rigs with a new tye of undersea oil rig. Concentrate on
the other issue, the pyrex machine.

http://tinyurl.com/oowf or
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...the+red+planet+approaches&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en

and here
http://tinyurl.com/oowb or
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...103441058%40news.houston.sbcglobal.net&rnum=5

Thanks, but I wont be reading 78+96 = 174 posts just because you cant
be bothered to provide a proper link to one article in which you
address whatever it is.

That new concept changes the costs involved in piplelines
considerably. One of its lesser attributes, but an attribute
nevertheless.

show us then.


Regards, NT
 
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