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R Fernandes

Jan 1, 1970
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The USPS has no record that your package, i.e. my board, was actually
shipped out. I contacted them and they told me that their system would have
been updated the very same evening at the latest if the package was shipped
that day.
 
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Hugh Jass

Jan 1, 1970
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How bout you email the dude directly instead of telling all of us...

Hugh Jass
 
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Robert Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Rojas,

Please call me ASAP. I have a client in Tampa who wants you to monitor his
alarm system.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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R Fernandes wrote
The USPS has no record that your package, i.e. my board, was actually
shipped out. I contacted them and they told me that their system would have
been updated the very same evening at the latest if the package was shipped
that day.

Did you misspell Jim's name for the post office too?
js
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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alt.security.alarms
Jim Rojas,

Please call me ASAP. I have a client in Tampa who wants you to monitor his
alarm system.


Did you tell the client why *you* are unable to monitor it?
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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alarman said:
R Fernandes wrote

Did you misspell Jim's name for the post office too?
js


Rogas. Sounds like something that'll make your hair fall out!! :))
 
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Jim Rojas

Jan 1, 1970
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USPS is not as organized with their tracking like UPS or Fedex.
USPS Priority Mail Tracking # 0103 8555 7492 5783 7814

You should receive the package on Monday or Tuesday.

Jim Rojas
 
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Robert Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim,

If you want to pick up a monitoring contract in Tampa, give me a call.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim is much smarter than that Robert.

Now that you make public your request, it
could result in "aiding & abetting" unlicensed activity, if
a Florida licensed contractor were to assist you in your
unlicensed activities.
You do not have a license in Florida as an alarm contractor, Mr. Bass!
When your server was down, did it lose that part of your memory?

Norm Mugford
 
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socko

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr Bass should just go ahead and get a license. They are not that hard to
get and I'm sure he would feel better operating on the side of the law.
Then he would not have to waste so much time arguing with eveybody here
about whether he needs one or not.
 
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Si Ballenger

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr Bass should just go ahead and get a license. They are not that hard to
get and I'm sure he would feel better operating on the side of the law.
Then he would not have to waste so much time arguing with eveybody here
about whether he needs one or not.

If you don't ned a license, then why get one if you are not doing
any thing that requires one. If something illegal is being done,
then report it. Numerous times in the past, the usual nameless
goof-ball posters here have said they have filed complaints about
this "illegal" activity with the Florida authoritys, and Robert
would be out of business "real soon now". Hasn't happened and
ain't gonna happen. Much past debate on the Florida (and Texas)
statutes in the past (use google usenet search). Bottom line in
Florida is that if you don't do alarm installatlion/wiring in a
facility, or provide as a contractor to have alarm
installation/wiring installed in a facility, then you don't need
a license. As for alarm monitoring, Florida doesn't have any
authority over monitoring facilities located out side of Florida,
has no provisions for preventing persons in Florida from using
monitoring facilities outside of Florida, and has no provisions
for persons acting as brokers for alarm monitoring services. Best
to save your energy and time for more productive and useful
discussions.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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socko said:
Mr Bass should just go ahead and get a license. They are not that hard to
get and I'm sure he would feel better operating on the side of the law.
Then he would not have to waste so much time arguing with eveybody here
about whether he needs one or not.

Mr Bass has a felony conviction and may not be able to get one, the endless
debate here is if he needs one to sell security products online and in my
opinion since he's still selling product after all this time it is doubtful
one is required
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Norm Mugford said:
Jim is much smarter than that Robert.

Now that you make public your request, it
could result in "aiding & abetting" unlicensed activity, if
a Florida licensed contractor were to assist you in your
unlicensed activities.
You do not have a license in Florida as an alarm contractor, Mr. Bass!
When your server was down, did it lose that part of your memory?

Norm Mugford


I don't think referring someone to a licensed company can be considered
"aiding and abetting". He could even accept a "bird dog" (small gift for
the referral) in return and he would still be within the law. If he were to
actively *market* the service (and use a licensed contractor to provide that
service), then you'd have something.


--
Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
You can read the ASA FAQ at
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
 
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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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Its like anything Legal it all comes down to the wording and the intent. A
law may be broken but you have to show there was the intent to do so.
I often see cases get thrown out becuse of all the mumbo jumbo in how a
particular statute is written.

We just had a case here were one of our mid 20s Volunteer Firefighters was
gong around the community
saying he was Asst. Fire Marshal for community and assiting the Fire Marshal
with various cases. He even had a buisness card made up using my companys
acronym saying he was my Chief Investigator.

After confiring with the real Fire Marshal and DA office
the young man was reprimanded and agreed to knock it off and never again
use my company name .But no criminal charge of inpersonating a public
servant could be filed becuse the way the statute was written we had to
show his intent was to use the made up posistion to a fidiciary benefit or
to opress the public which we could not.
He was basicaly trying to impress the chicks. only legal recourse I had
would have been to file civil suit against him and it was not worth the
cost. luckily he got a good scare from DA and Fire Marshal and has chosen to
leave the Fire Service all together.


"Just when I thought I was starting to see the light at the end of the
Tunnel it was only some Bastard with a Torch
bringing me more work"


--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electic Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.

Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
Staff Editor www.securitymission.com
Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
Exclusive Correspondant www.nbfd.us
Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.

"To error is human to realy foul things up requires a computer"
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Even still all he might need is an agent license (depending on ahj) and a
tax license. Where I live you don't even need an agent license unless you
physically go into the client's home.

And if he were just giving the account away - a referral (no compensation) I
doubt anything is unlawful about it.


You are correct. If he isn't going to "bill" Jim for his time (or the
referral) then there's nothing illegal about what he's mentioned here. I
know Bass well enough to realize the sole purpose of his posting this in
this newsgroup was to stir things up a little. Tsk!!

Now, if you ask me, *downloading* (programming a panel remotely) still
constitutes *servicing*. Bass get's around the Licensing Statute by
offering this "service" to all and sundry (whether they're his
customers/clients, or not). Any end-user contemplating this should really
consider using someone local (i.e. licensed in their jurisdiction) and
paying the service fee. The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies
to this industry as much as any other.

--
Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
You can read the ASA FAQ at
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
 
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Robert Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Pay him no mind. Mugford is a lying political hack. He has been
threatening to bring charges of unlicensed activity for years but he knows
full well his accusations are nonsense. I have told him before and I repeat
it again. If he thinks I'm doing anything illegal I challenge him to bring
charges.
I'm curious; how would giving someone else
an account be "aiding & abetting"?

It isn't and he knows it. I have numerous clients throughout Florida who
request monitoring service. They purchase their hardware from my online
store and install it themselves. I refer them to reputable local installers
such as Bob Worthy, Jim Rojas and a few others. Needless to say, I'd never
suggest to someone that they do business with Mugford.
If the giver doesn't have a license in that state
an gives a licensed entity an account all he's
trying to do is comply, it's done all the time...
unless there's more to the story.

There is more to the story, all right. Mugford is a liar and a dishonest
businessman. He bragged to me in a private conversation how he had used his
clout as a member of the ECLB to intimidate a client who was planning to
hire a competitor. He has repeatedly made false statements in public about
a competitor, completely disregarding the legal and ethical requirements of
members of the ECLB.

Once again I challenge Norman Mugford to bring charges. He won't of course.
He'll just continue posting garbage in USENET. He is a prime example of the
very worst there is in this industry.
 
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Robert Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Si Ballenger said:
If you don't ned a license, then why get one if you are not doing
any thing that requires one. If something illegal is being done,
then report it. Numerous times in the past, the usual nameless
goof-ball posters here have said they have filed complaints about
this "illegal" activity with the Florida authoritys, and Robert
would be out of business "real soon now". Hasn't happened and
ain't gonna happen. Much past debate on the Florida (and Texas)
statutes in the past (use google usenet search). Bottom line in
Florida is that if you don't do alarm installatlion/wiring in a
facility, or provide as a contractor to have alarm
installation/wiring installed in a facility, then you don't need
a license. As for alarm monitoring, Florida doesn't have any
authority over monitoring facilities located out side of Florida,
has no provisions for preventing persons in Florida from using
monitoring facilities outside of Florida, and has no provisions
for persons acting as brokers for alarm monitoring services. Best
to save your energy and time for more productive and useful
discussions.

Thanks, Si. One point needs clarification though. I don't broker alarm
monitoring or installation services. If someone in Florida wants monitoring
I refer them to dealers I know. I neither request nor accept anything in
return. Let the idiot from the ECLB try to explain what's illegal about
that.
 
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Robert Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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| I don't think referring someone to a licensed
| company can be considered "aiding and
| abetting". He could even accept a "bird dog"
| (small gift for the referral) in return and he
| would still be within the law...

I don't need referral fees. I make a living selling to DIYers. I offer
monitoring outside Florida but it's really only a small fraction of my
sales. Most DIYers don't want monitoring anyway.

| If he were to actively *market* the service
| (and use a licensed contractor to provide that
| service), then you'd have something.

On my website it clearly states that monitoring is not offered in Florida.
I get calls occasionally from local folks who want me to go to their
property to design, install or service a system. I refer them to local
competitors. Aside from the licensing requirement, it's just not worth my
time to go out and service or install an alarm. I can sell four or five DIY
systems in the time it would take me to service just one.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert Bass said:
| I don't think referring someone to a licensed
| company can be considered "aiding and
| abetting". He could even accept a "bird dog"
| (small gift for the referral) in return and he
| would still be within the law...

I don't need referral fees. I make a living selling to DIYers. I offer
monitoring outside Florida but it's really only a small fraction of my
sales. Most DIYers don't want monitoring anyway.

Of course not.

| If he were to actively *market* the service
| (and use a licensed contractor to provide that
| service), then you'd have something.

On my website it clearly states that monitoring is not offered in Florida.
I get calls occasionally from local folks who want me to go to their
property to design, install or service a system. I refer them to local
competitors.

You have no "local competitors", Robert. Your online store doesn't qualify
as any sort of "competition" for an actual licensed Florida Alarm Dealer.
But do please rant on. Your little diatribes, misleading phrases, and jibes
are amusing (in small doses).
 
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rory

Jan 1, 1970
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whats a licence anyway, just a piece of paper. We dont need them here
currently though we are pushing for them starting the beginning of
next year, or at least some sought of regulation, as everyone and
their mums is doing alarm and CCTV installs here now.

Rory
 
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