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Kind of simple question matching impedances/resistances on twin-lead

Treeline said:
Why is this a troll?

My assumption was that the 300-ohm twin-lead antenna wire lead to an
antenna. If you cut it in half to produce an ostensibly useful unused
end, you would appear to be splitting it into two separate wires, both
leading to the antenna.

300 ohm antenna wire is intended to hook up to a loop antenna, which
happens to have an output impedance of 300 ohm. It sounds as if you
think that 300 ohm antenna wire is intended to be an antenna, which it
can be if the local signal is hgh enough .....
In any case, I did a quick test and I would reckon doubling up the
transformers results in a very marginal loss. I noticed one spec of
0.5 dB loss on parts like this,
and that sounds reasonable without measuring.

I'll bet if Newton came to you about an apple falling on his head, you would say, heh, you'll a
troll.

No, I'd ask him why he was fussing about gravity after having invented
a time machine ...
Asking questions which may be obvious to others is not trolling
unless I already know the answers.
Here I do not. I could find out the answers if I got my equipment out of storage but it's snowing
again and quite cold in that unheated place. And I really don't mess much with antennas and TVs,
hence asking here since TV appears to be ubiquitous for most.

You need to ask the question in a way that suggests that you might
understand the answer.
 
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Pig Bladder

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:30:59 -0500, Treeline wrote:
[some trollfood]

Stop Feeding The Trolls.

Thank You.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Treeline said:
Somehow you don't strike me as an Ivy League grad. Have you tried Alcoholic Anonymous?

Keep shooting your mouth off- wise ass little pretentious cheater and
liar that you are- dollar store trash.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Treeline said:
It's fairly obvious that you are not able to assimilate learning.
Funny, you called me "uneducable" and insinuated I was of low SES.
And here you are acting like a Jerry Springer trailer trash. Tsk. Tsk.
Are you bipolar and currently in your manic phase?

Right, right- like I said- you are lying ignorant trash- stay off this NG.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Treeline said:
So vulgar and you called me low SES. Do you have any education at all?

Yep- you sure do sound sophisticated- I'm convinced. Isn't it great,
another ignorant low life found its way to NG to ask about petty dollar
store "electronic" accessories....
 
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Treeline

Jan 1, 1970
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Pig Bladder said:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:30:59 -0500, Treeline wrote:
[some trollfood]

Stop Feeding The Trolls.

Thank You.

That's funny. This thread started because someone accused me
immediately of being a troll. Now if that's so, are you asking me
to starve myself? A day or two of feeding a troll is droll, no?
 
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Treeline

Jan 1, 1970
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My assumption was that the 300-ohm twin-lead antenna wire lead to an
antenna. If you cut it in half to produce an ostensibly useful unused
end, you would appear to be splitting it into two separate wires, both
leading to the antenna.

Nope, I was not clear. It's an outside antenna that I cut into thirds.
Think more of a phone line feeding several rooms.
I wanted to make the unused or last two cut portions useful again
just for closure, as we say.

300 ohm antenna wire is intended to hook up to a loop antenna, which
happens to have an output impedance of 300 ohm. It sounds as if you
think that 300 ohm antenna wire is intended to be an antenna, which it
can be if the local signal is hgh enough .....

I did not quite get this. The twin-lead just needs a balun transformer
to go into the TV. An existing internal loop antenna appears to operate
independently.

You or I was not clear that there is a real outside antenna, the twinlead
antenna wire is just that, nothing more, quote the raven.

No, I'd ask him why he was fussing about gravity after having invented
a time machine ...

He was just a fussbudget. Imagine, after inventing calculus, he gets all
bent out of shape because Leibniz invented it too, and a far more useful
version we use d/dx. Poor Leibniz. Newton was NASTY.

You need to ask the question in a way that suggests that you might
understand the answer.


If I could ask questions in a way that suggests I might understand the
answer, I probably would not need to ask at all but could simply
find the canned answers on the internet.

I see your point. This was probably too advanced a newsgroup to ask
questions in or the people in this newsgroup are tired of questions
they consider ambiguous.

I wonder if I could suggest that you need to answer questions so I
could understand my own question.

You know the routine if you ever taught college:
I gather what you meant to ask me was......
 
Treeline said:
Nope, I was not clear. It's an outside antenna that I cut into thirds.
Think more of a phone line feeding several rooms.

An antenna lead isn't like a phone line. It is a transmission line, and
should be terminated at one end with a resistance equal to its
characteristic impedance to minimise reflections (ghosts) - the antenna
inputs on TV sets always have such a terminating resistor built in.
I wanted to make the unused or last two cut portions useful again
just for closure, as we say.

Probably not a good idea.
I did not quite get this. The twin-lead just needs a balun transformer
to go into the TV. An existing internal loop antenna appears to operate
independently.

The coaxial cable normally used to hook up TVs has a characteristic
impedance of 75R, so the coax socket on the the TV is designed to
present a 75R resistive impedance to terminate such a cable. As you
say, the internal loop antenna operates independently.

CTV monitors, which are often used to display the same picture in
different places, tend not to have a built-in 75R termination, and rely
on the installation technician plugging in a 75R terminating resistor
(mounted in a 75R connector) on the monitor at the end of the cable.

The balun transformer you use to convert from 300R twin cable to 75R
coax is a 2:1 step-down transformer, so that the 75R termination in the
TV set looks like a 300R termination to the 300R twin cable
You or I was not clear that there is a real outside antenna, the twinlead
antenna wire is just that, nothing more, quote the raven.



He was just a fussbudget. Imagine, after inventing calculus, he gets all
bent out of shape because Leibniz invented it too, and a far more useful
version we use d/dx. Poor Leibniz. Newton was NASTY.

Newton invented fluxions - I don't think that his notation was any less
useful than Leibniz's, but because he didn't publish it, it was never
widely adopted. Newton wasn't just nasty to Leibniz - his treatment of
Hooke adn Wren was pretty shabby too.
If I could ask questions in a way that suggests I might understand the
answer, I probably would not need to ask at all but could simply
find the canned answers on the internet.

I see your point. This was probably too advanced a newsgroup to ask
questions in or the people in this newsgroup are tired of questions
they consider ambiguous.

I wonder if I could suggest that you need to answer questions so I
could understand my own question.

You know the routine if you ever taught college:
I gather what you meant to ask me was......

We do a lot of that here. The trick to getting a good answer here (as
in most forums) is to pose concrete questions based on what you want to
achieve, expressed in terms you do understand, rather than waffling on
about stuff you don't understand.

I've spent about thirty years solving people's electronic problems, and
it always takes a while for me to drill down to the level where I
understand the client's problem in a way that admits of an electronic
answer - and I'm better at it than most.
 
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Treeline

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Right, right- like I said- you are lying ignorant trash- stay off this NG.

Now the more you trash talk, the more likely I will stay on for a while.
It's not every day I get to talk trash to pure trash. So refreshing.
 
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Treeline

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Yep- you sure do sound sophisticated- I'm convinced. Isn't it great,
another ignorant low life found its way to NG to ask about petty dollar
store "electronic" accessories....

I can see you now Fred. Right there on Rodeo Drive with your Gucci
soldering iron. There's nothing wrong with being home-schooled as you
were. Did you read much about resistance in the Bible? Ohms and hymns.

I'll bet you believe in creationism too, don't you? Hmmm?

It's okay. Not all pathways are conductive. Some just oscillate around
the simpleton.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Treeline said:
I can see you now Fred. Right there on Rodeo Drive with your Gucci
soldering iron. There's nothing wrong with being home-schooled as you
were. Did you read much about resistance in the Bible? Ohms and hymns.

I'll bet you believe in creationism too, don't you? Hmmm?

It's okay. Not all pathways are conductive. Some just oscillate around
the simpleton.

Plonk
 
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Treeline

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
Plonk

--
Beware of those who suffer from delusions of adequacy!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

That's kind of what I think about Florida in general, populated by
ignorant, bible thrashing, and resorting to violence since
words are beyond their illiterate capabilities. May you learn
to speak and carry on the tradition. I am not talking about the
northerners who retire to Florida and bring literacy and science,
and teachers for their universities.
 
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