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#### bick

Jan 1, 1970
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Is anyone using voc free, leadfree solder in there wave process??
Like to discuss some things about it. I have 25 years in the
manufacturing of printed circuits.
This process is much more diffacult than they lead us to beleive.

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#### Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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bick said:
Is anyone using voc free, leadfree solder in there wave process??
Like to discuss some things about it. I have 25 years in the
manufacturing of printed circuits.
This process is much more diffacult than they lead us to beleive.

Now there's a surprise ...

Arfa

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#### Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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bick said:
Is anyone using voc free, leadfree solder in there wave process??
Like to discuss some things about it. I have 25 years in the
manufacturing of printed circuits.
This process is much more diffacult than they lead us to beleive.

Surprise !

Lead-free solder is junk.

Graham

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#### Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Surprise !

Lead-free solder is junk.

Graham

Of course it is. OTOH its the stupid idea of some crackpot European
beuracrats that don't know a damn thing about metallurgy, yet are busy
screwing the entire world in their half assed attempt to keep any
foreign electronics from being imported.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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#### Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
Of course it is. OTOH its the stupid idea of some crackpot European
beuracrats that don't know a damn thing about metallurgy, yet are busy
screwing the entire world in their half assed attempt to keep any
foreign electronics from being imported.
Don't you also have some pretty draconian and nonsense lead regulations over
there too, Michael ? I seem to remember reading that there are regulations
regarding the disposal of CRTs now due to the lead in the glass faceplate.
The whole world is going mad ...

If you're not under pressure to go lead-free on your solder already, trust
me, it's coming ! The whole of the far east's production for europe is now
done in lead-free, and I guess they just ship the same basic products to the
US also. I can't imagine them running parallel leaded and lead-free lines,
and component inventories. Is the stuff that you guys are repairing now
built in lead-free, and what are your experiences of it so far ? Have Sony
insisted that their gear is repaired with lead-free components and solder
there too ? I'm assuming that you don't have any actual legislation yet that
compels you repair in lead-free ?

Arfa

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#### Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Arfa said:
Don't you also have some pretty draconian and nonsense lead regulations over
there too, Michael ? I seem to remember reading that there are regulations
regarding the disposal of CRTs now due to the lead in the glass faceplate.
The whole world is going mad ...

One of the talking heads on the TV news was yammering on about "Every
TV ever made has 27 pounds of lead in it" I have TV sets that only
weigh a few ounces. Where the @#$%^ is the rest of my lead? ;-) it turns out that when the EPA calculated the amount of lead in the glass of a CRT, they ground it to a fine powder before using acid to separate it from the dust, then multiplied the amount by a huge number. Its as phony as Global cooling/ warming/ climate change. CRTs are supposed to be returned to the manufacurer, still under hard vacuum. WTH are we supposed to do we do with broken ones, or gassy tubes? I say we load all the crappy CRTS, and scrap electronics in resurrected B52 bombers and drop it on the Chinese factories that keep spewing out this crap. If you're not under pressure to go lead-free on your solder already, trust me, it's coming ! The whole of the far east's production for europe is now done in lead-free, and I guess they just ship the same basic products to the US also. I can't imagine them running parallel leaded and lead-free lines, and component inventories. Is the stuff that you guys are repairing now built in lead-free, and what are your experiences of it so far ? Have Sony insisted that their gear is repaired with lead-free components and solder there too ? I'm assuming that you don't have any actual legislation yet that compels you repair in lead-free ? No, but its getting a lot harder to find components that are tinned with real solder. I have some nice tin/lead/silver solder for the fancy work, and some older Ersin Multicore .031" 60/40 for regular work. With my current health, it looks like a lifetime supply. The equipment I worked on before becoming disabled was exempt, being that 95% of it went to government agencies around the world. If they insisted on lead free, we told them to get lost. its amazing how fast you get an exemption when they NEED your custom built equipment. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida A #### Arfa Daily Jan 1, 1970 0 Michael A. Terrell said: One of the talking heads on the TV news was yammering on about "Every TV ever made has 27 pounds of lead in it" I have TV sets that only weigh a few ounces. Where the @#$%^ is the rest of my lead? ;-)

it turns out that when the EPA calculated the amount of lead in the
glass of a CRT, they ground it to a fine powder before using acid to
separate it from the dust, then multiplied the amount by a huge number.
Its as phony as Global cooling/ warming/ climate change.

CRTs are supposed to be returned to the manufacurer, still under hard
vacuum. WTH are we supposed to do we do with broken ones, or gassy
tubes? I say we load all the crappy CRTS, and scrap electronics in
resurrected B52 bombers and drop it on the Chinese factories that keep
spewing out this crap.

No, but its getting a lot harder to find components that are tinned
with real solder. I have some nice tin/lead/silver solder for the fancy
work, and some older Ersin Multicore .031" 60/40 for regular work. With
my current health, it looks like a lifetime supply. The equipment I
worked on before becoming disabled was exempt, being that 95% of it went
to government agencies around the world. If they insisted on lead free,
we told them to get lost. its amazing how fast you get an exemption
when they NEED your custom built equipment.

That situation is much the same here, with avionics, military and medical
having exemptions. I'm not sure about civils like the emergency services. We
are just going over to a 'secure' comms system here for emergency workers. I
wonder which technology their new kit is built in ?

Yep, that's the method of determining the amount of lead in the glass that I
read about. See ? You're closer to being like us over there, than you
thought d;~} !!

On the global warming front, it's funny to see how an idea can gain
momentum. 35 years ago, all the talk was of us being about to enter a new
mini ice age. I remember this very clearly, as I had my town library get me
in a book called "The Weather Machine, and the Threat of the Ice", that had
featured in a TV programme that was on at the time.

Whilst I'm on TV programmes, there was one on over here on the station
called "Channel 4" a couple of months back, called "The Great Global Warming
Swindle". It really was an excellent and well made documentary, an hour and
a half long, and well worth seeing if you have the slightest concerns about
the validity of global warming, and its causes. This programme has caused
such a furore here, that Channel 4 have now released it as a DVD. If you can
get hold of a copy through Amazon or somewhere, I can really recommend it as
essential viewing to get the other side of the coin, for making yourself a
balanced viewpoint.

Arfa

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#### Ian Jackson

Jan 1, 1970
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Arfa Daily said:
That situation is much the same here, with avionics, military and medical
having exemptions. I'm not sure about civils like the emergency services. We
are just going over to a 'secure' comms system here for emergency workers. I
wonder which technology their new kit is built in ?

Yep, that's the method of determining the amount of lead in the glass that I
read about. See ? You're closer to being like us over there, than you
thought d;~} !!

On the global warming front, it's funny to see how an idea can gain
momentum. 35 years ago, all the talk was of us being about to enter a new
mini ice age. I remember this very clearly, as I had my town library get me
in a book called "The Weather Machine, and the Threat of the Ice", that had
featured in a TV programme that was on at the time.

Whilst I'm on TV programmes, there was one on over here on the station
called "Channel 4" a couple of months back, called "The Great Global Warming
Swindle". It really was an excellent and well made documentary, an hour and
a half long, and well worth seeing if you have the slightest concerns about
the validity of global warming, and its causes. This programme has caused
such a furore here, that Channel 4 have now released it as a DVD. If you can
get hold of a copy through Amazon or somewhere, I can really recommend it as
essential viewing to get the other side of the coin, for making yourself a
balanced viewpoint.

Arfa

It's on YouTube under "The Great Global Warming Swindle". I have it as
one video, but it now seems to be available only as six parts.
Ian.

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
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Is anyone using voc free, leadfree solder in there wave process??
Like to discuss some things about it. I have 25 years in the
manufacturing of printed circuits.
This process is much more diffacult than they lead us to beleive.

Water based solder would make it even more difficult

NT

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#### [email protected]

Jan 1, 1970
0
Is anyone using voc free, leadfree solder in there wave process??
Like to discuss some things about it. I have 25 years in the
manufacturing of printed circuits.
This process is much more diffacult than they lead us to beleive.

Water based solder would make it even more difficult

NT

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#### Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Arfa said:
That situation is much the same here, with avionics, military and medical
having exemptions. I'm not sure about civils like the emergency services. We
are just going over to a 'secure' comms system here for emergency workers. I
wonder which technology their new kit is built in ?

Whatever is cheapest at the moment, of course. They don't believe it
will ever be needed to save their lives, so they don't give a damn.

Yep, that's the method of determining the amount of lead in the glass that I
read about. See ? You're closer to being like us over there, than you
thought d;~} !!

I have nothing against most of the people of Europe, but I think they
should pull their rabid dogs off-line. They give a bad impression to
the rest of the world. I met a lot of tourist when I worked in Orlando
about 20 years ago. Most of them were nice (Even if they were hard to
understand.) but some did their absolute best to piss off every American
they met.

On the global warming front, it's funny to see how an idea can gain
momentum. 35 years ago, all the talk was of us being about to enter a new
mini ice age. I remember this very clearly, as I had my town library get me
in a book called "The Weather Machine, and the Threat of the Ice", that had
featured in a TV programme that was on at the time.

They were ranting about "The new Ice Age!!!" when i was in grade
school. All kinds of horror stories about species becoming extinct
because the only habitable area would be a band about 100 miles wide at
the equator. Some were even calling for massive projects to level
mountains and haul them to the sea to make more land available at the
equator. they were as rabid as the Global Warming crowd, and had as
much bad science in their propaganda. When I pointed out that the
equator doesn't stay centered under the sun they called me a
troublemaker and continued to spin tales of wars where everyone wanted
that thin band of land to live on.

Whilst I'm on TV programmes, there was one on over here on the station
called "Channel 4" a couple of months back, called "The Great Global Warming
Swindle". It really was an excellent and well made documentary, an hour and
a half long, and well worth seeing if you have the slightest concerns about
the validity of global warming, and its causes. This programme has caused
such a furore here, that Channel 4 have now released it as a DVD. If you can
get hold of a copy through Amazon or somewhere, I can really recommend it as
essential viewing to get the other side of the coin, for making yourself a
balanced viewpoint.

I have no problem with real science, but most of what I hear is just
wild theories. I'll see if I can find a copy of that program.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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#### Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
Whatever is cheapest at the moment, of course. They don't believe it
will ever be needed to save their lives, so they don't give a damn.

I have nothing against most of the people of Europe, but I think they
should pull their rabid dogs off-line. They give a bad impression to
the rest of the world. I met a lot of tourist when I worked in Orlando
about 20 years ago. Most of them were nice (Even if they were hard to
understand.) but some did their absolute best to piss off every American
they met.

They were ranting about "The new Ice Age!!!" when i was in grade
school. All kinds of horror stories about species becoming extinct
because the only habitable area would be a band about 100 miles wide at
the equator. Some were even calling for massive projects to level
mountains and haul them to the sea to make more land available at the
equator. they were as rabid as the Global Warming crowd, and had as
much bad science in their propaganda. When I pointed out that the
equator doesn't stay centered under the sun they called me a
troublemaker and continued to spin tales of wars where everyone wanted
that thin band of land to live on.

I have no problem with real science, but most of what I hear is just
wild theories. I'll see if I can find a copy of that program.
Yes, do that. I'm sure that you will enjoy it. It features many genuine
scientists who hold alternative views to what's being peddled as ' the
reality of global warming ' at the moment ... Ian, above, has said that it's
available on YouTube so I guess that's a good place to start. If you think
Europeans in america were bad 20 years ago, you want to take a look now ...
As you know, I visit quite regularly, and my countrymen make me cringe,
bringing their little bits of England with them ( silly soccer shirts and
the like ). It's too easy and cheap to travel across the pond now, so
everyone, including those who do not know how to behave in someone elses
country, can afford to go. Incidentally, most people in the UK don't
consider themselves to be 'Europeans', having spent hundreds of years
repelling Johnny Foreigner from our shores ...

Arfa

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