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daestrom

Jan 1, 1970
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Grass roots said:
No way! It took us 90 days just to get the modular out of the factory,
then
another 13 months for the damned incompetent builder to put it on the lot
and almost finish it, and he's STILL not done!

I'd bet that the only ones propagating the myth of the fast modular home
that people can make a profit on, are the modluar dealers! Everyone who
tries it must loose their asses, which explains why the industry is in the
dumpster!

Nonsense. I live in a modular that we built in 2000. Closed on land in
oct. finished foundation in nov. house arrived on site in four large pieces
at beginning of dec. Unfortunately, the weather was against us and we
didn't get it setup for several weeks. All interior work done and moved in
Feb 1. Total of 3 1/2 months.

In our area, *all* construction is having problems this year because of
shortages in wood materials. Stick and modular. Supposedly something to do
with Iraq reconstruction and four hurricanes in FL.

daestrom
 
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keith

Jan 1, 1970
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Just from my observations in the area, there are a FEW places where modular
homes make sense.

I've seen some *very* nice modulars, in all sorts of configurations.
There are many places they make sense. I don't by your assertion at all.
These "best" case would be where the manufactured home
has features and design that are exactly what you want (the
manufacturers definitely can offer a LOT a variety within the basic
constraints that the pieces must ship by road)

Certainly. The can make pretty much any "standard" home style, from a
cape to a colonial, better and often cheaper than a stick-built. Of
course there are crap manufacturers out there, just like crap
stick-builders. I have one of the latter. :-(
and the local builders have a waiting list.

Not necessarily. Local labor can be very expensive. Modulars can reduce
the local labor content greatly.
If you do things right, you had put the
foundation and underground plumbing in while the home is being built.
You can go from vacant lot to custom home ready to move into with 30
days or less.

Sure, I've seen it done, including the stick-built add-on garage. 30
days isn't a biggie for a modular, if they know what they're doing. Of
course subs can be problematic on either side of the fence.
 
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Grass roots

Jan 1, 1970
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Charles Perry said:
Odd. I know of two people who have purchased modular homes and from order
date to move-in date was approx. 60 days. Sounds like a bunch of "change
orders" to me.


Homes that were already sitting on a lot somewhere & waiting to be dropped
on a lot? And were they dropped on a space in a mobile home lot, perchance?

Ours took 90 days to come out of Schult's factory and then 13 months for
the idiotic incompetent builder to finish it on our lot, and he's still not
finished. We've lost $25k of our former home equity in extra costs because
of it.
 
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Grass roots

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh there's also the aspect that local governments are biased against them and
will give you all kinds of shit along the way, just because of that.
 
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Roy Q.T.

Jan 1, 1970
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That is true: what I understand, & by the way, is very disheartening to
"Many" would be New Home Buyers is the fact that Many Localities permit
Land Developers [where new Urbanizations have been sprouting] to Create
an Ad Hoc Government so that Nobody will steal there Feeling of
Household Bliss by Adding, or Bringing up Fancier Than Thou Modeling
into "Their" community....

It's just a Shame, I've seen what they Built and what they don't want
you to build, it's not like WOW., you model stinks.

We'll just have to move on and find a Land or Developer that is More
Open to Change and Variety.I wouldn't put a sinlge Penny of my lifelong
into one of those sticky deals., I'm (we're) way too past that.
 
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John Gilmer

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy Q.T. said:
That is true: what I understand, & by the way, is very disheartening to
"Many" would be New Home Buyers is the fact that Many Localities permit
Land Developers [where new Urbanizations have been sprouting] to Create
an Ad Hoc Government so that Nobody will steal there Feeling of
Household Bliss by Adding, or Bringing up Fancier Than Thou Modeling
into "Their" community....

Many sub-divisions have restrictions that set the minimum cost of any home
to be built and some have rules that when you buy a lot from the developer
you MUST built within a certain time but usually the only thing they keeps
you from building a "too fancy" house is common sense.

There is, of course, the additional issue of the HOA (Home Owners
Association) which can (are often are) quite nasty is the silly rules they
can impose. Virginia seems to have a state policy of putting teech into
the HOAs. HOAs can legally do what local governments can't since they are
"voluntary." Also, some developments effectively put utility and drainage
easements over the entire lot. There must be some restrictions or no
rational bank would provide financing.
It's just a Shame, I've seen what they Built and what they don't want
you to build, it's not like WOW., you model stinks.

Like it or not, communities with sem-uniform homes have better re-sale
results than communities where no two homes are the same. I think what
happens is that an "odd ball" home may not sell unless the price drops down
to the basement and a low sale price in the neighborhood tends to bring
assessments down for everyone.

Most buyers have no intention of staying in one home until they die. They
make the very rational decision to buy in a development where the home have
a certain variability but nothing sticks out.

I live in an "anything goes" development. We got our place for so little
that we could have paid off the mortgage after only 6 years. The medium
sized homes are assessed for about 1/2 the value of smaller homes with small
lots in newer "regulated" sub-divisions. We enjoy are low taxes and our
low mortgage payments but if we had to sell we would envy those in the
"proper" sub-divisions.
We'll just have to move on and find a Land or Developer that is More
Open to Change and Variety.I wouldn't put a sinlge Penny of my lifelong
into one of those sticky deals., I'm (we're) way too past that.

Well, sport, an "over built" home often becomes a White Elephant. If you
want to stay there "forever," it doesn't matter. IF you intend to move on
or want to pass on a valuable property to your kids then ...
 
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Palindr☻me

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
That is true: what I understand, & by the way, is very disheartening to
"Many" would be New Home Buyers is the fact that Many Localities permit
Land Developers [where new Urbanizations have been sprouting] to Create
an Ad Hoc Government so that Nobody will steal there Feeling of
Household Bliss by Adding, or Bringing up Fancier Than Thou Modeling
into "Their" community....


Many sub-divisions have restrictions that set the minimum cost of any home
to be built and some have rules that when you buy a lot from the developer
you MUST built within a certain time but usually the only thing they keeps
you from building a "too fancy" house is common sense.

There is, of course, the additional issue of the HOA (Home Owners
Association) which can (are often are) quite nasty is the silly rules they
can impose. Virginia seems to have a state policy of putting teech into
the HOAs. HOAs can legally do what local governments can't since theyare
"voluntary." Also, some developments effectively put utility and drainage
easements over the entire lot. There must be some restrictions or no
rational bank would provide financing.
It's just a Shame, I've seen what they Built and what they don't want
you to build, it's not like WOW., you model stinks.


Like it or not, communities with sem-uniform homes have better re-sale
results than communities where no two homes are the same. I think what
happens is that an "odd ball" home may not sell unless the price drops down
to the basement and a low sale price in the neighborhood tends to bring
assessments down for everyone.

Most buyers have no intention of staying in one home until they die. They
make the very rational decision to buy in a development where the home have
a certain variability but nothing sticks out.

I live in an "anything goes" development. We got our place for so little
that we could have paid off the mortgage after only 6 years. The medium
sized homes are assessed for about 1/2 the value of smaller homes with small
lots in newer "regulated" sub-divisions. We enjoy are low taxes and our
low mortgage payments but if we had to sell we would envy those in the
"proper" sub-divisions.

We'll just have to move on and find a Land or Developer that is More
Open to Change and Variety.I wouldn't put a sinlge Penny of my lifelong
into one of those sticky deals., I'm (we're) way too past that.


Well, sport, an "over built" home often becomes a White Elephant. If you
want to stay there "forever," it doesn't matter. IF you intend to move on
or want to pass on a valuable property to your kids then ...
Don't you have planning control over there? Albeit I live in
a UK National Park where any addition larger than a (small)
dog kennel needs approval and you don't even have a choice
about which quarry to get the slate for the roof from but -
anywhere else, putting up anything even a little out of the
ordinary as a house is very unlikely to get approval. So
relatively few houses are built and those that are cost a
fortune. Demand far, far outstrips supply.

The net result is the tiny cottage down the road, with a
tiny garden, just sold for 240,000 GBP and is having
100,000GBP spent on it in repairs. That, in a region where
the minimum wage rules and few advertised jobs pay more than
£5.60 an hour. Needless to say, the person buying it is not
a local..I don't think that cottage will ever be lived in by
a farm hand again..
 
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Roy Q.T.

Jan 1, 1970
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That is the other thing, my fav type home is not even to be considered
overdevelopment, just unconventional.

all those comments are valid though

The jpg from this post reminded me of something the The Monolythic Dome
Inst. would definetly approve or use.

Is there something you're not saying ? };-)

maybe the receptacles and other devices (motion sensing switchs, timers,
etc)are plug in too., i think i wouldn't like uf or romex running
through it unless the sheath was hermeticly sealed as well to the boxes.
[Leave at least 6" length from the box for splice] and they should have
touch dimmers and other choice products too.and an easy removal tool.


Real Estate it is not a short term goal here, even at age, but what you
all say is is very illuminating:)
 
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John Gilmer

Jan 1, 1970
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"Don't you have planning control over there? "

In most of Virginia, the government has some general but easily understood
rules. If someone wants an exception he goes before an elected or
appointed board but withn the rules you can get a permit for anything. The
bureaucrats might tell you on the record that you are making a mistake but
if you go by the rules, they give you a permit."

Some places have colonial or ante-bellum homes and there you need to
maintain "historical" materials, colors, and even construction methods. But
this "historial districts" are well defined and are only a tiny fraction of
the land available for development.


"Albeit I live in
a UK National Park where any addition larger than a (small)
dog kennel needs approval and you don't even have a choice
about which quarry to get the slate for the roof from but -
anywhere else, putting up anything even a little out of the
ordinary as a house is very unlikely to get approval. So
relatively few houses are built and those that are cost a
fortune. Demand far, far outstrips supply."

What can I say? In "red state" America, the main control is your next
store neighbor who may take yor to court. But they have to STOP you. If
you obey the zoning restrictions, set back rules, etc and built to "code"
you can START anything you want.


"The net result is the tiny cottage down the road, with a
tiny garden, just sold for 240,000 GBP and is having
100,000GBP spent on it in repairs. "

Oh, we have expensive homes here. A few months ago, we took a "short cut"
through some new sub-divisions in Stafford County, VA. This area is about
35 miles South of Washington, DC.

Anyway, there were many, many $500,000 homes on rather small lots. Local
jobs don't pay well, but folks willing to drive to Washington to work do OK.
Most of the buyers are two income families."

"That, in a region where
the minimum wage rules and few advertised jobs pay more than
£5.60 an hour. Needless to say, the person buying it is not
a local..I don't think that cottage will ever be lived in by
a farm hand again.."

Well, there will ALWAYS be cheap housing. If the government makes it
difficult to build cheap housing, poor families end up banding together and
rent one expensive home for several households.
 
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Roy Q.T.

Jan 1, 1970
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True, i am glad to see new & exciting opportunities for all class of
people to realize their housing dreams.

I'm just a bit lain back, but I'm aware if push i could zap out of here
& have em assist me to build My Dream Residence in No Time @ All.

And thanks for reminding me the diplomacy works well.

I am about thinking what answer to give The Failed Neutral Post seems
like the same type Animal of the earlier post where the diaghram
indicated a COO COO wire Between the Ground and Neurtal Buss I'm not
saying anything
:) I think that system is to Loved for Zero., and nobody refreshed on
my analysis about the need for that wire.

I don't install those., nor remove them unless I'd want to down grade to
1PHI/220
with appropriate Power Off measures and the wye/delta panel should be
left as is or downgraded at the Service Entrance level not at the Main X
Panel.

somebody please tell him.

" Jee How Careless ", too bad for the puters., they must be fuming };-D

those slingers better be covered by good insurance ~|:)
 
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