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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Russell Brill said:
I take that to mean "not the same quality as the 3200"...

Not at all, quality is the same however the family and therefore available
functions are different, the panel belongs in the lower-end 816/1632 family
and not the 3200/9600/X255 even though it has more zone capability than the
3200, For instance the internet module works better on the 3200 than the
1664.
 
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Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Leuck said:
Not at all, quality is the same however the family and therefore available
functions are different, the panel belongs in the lower-end 816/1632
family
and not the 3200/9600/X255 even though it has more zone capability than
the
3200, For instance the internet module works better on the 3200 than the
1664.


Yep, Its really a shoe in for the 9600 and X255. It gives full reporting.
Its my understanding its more like the Uplink 1500 of ip communicators for
other panels.

I don't use the 3200. Its not enough cheaper than the 9600 to justify
using, and for most applications the 1632 does the job more than adequately.
I'll have to look and see how the 1664 is packaged and priced. A few more
zones are useful much more often than the extra handful of features for the
3200/9600/X255 family. About the only time I use one of those is if I need
more than 2 partitions. Actually for those applications I prefer the Caddx
NX8E with its full feature modular expansion. Need another partition
because the client needed another building? Add an expansion module and box
in the other building and then just run 4 wires back to the keypad bus of
the main panel. Its kinda awkward to program compared to the 9600, but
otherwise its a lot easier to expand and cover more areas.


--
Current Rides (Yuma, Az)
2005 VN1600B2 Kawasaki Vulcan Mean Streak
2001 VLX600 Honda Shadow (for sale)
2003 FLTR Harley Road Glide (wife's bike)
1981 CM200T Honda Twin (project)

Past Rides
1996 VF750C Honda Magna
1976 CL350 Honda
1986 VT500C Honda Shadow
1976 GL1000 Honda Goldwing
1984 VT700C Honda Shadow
1976 GL1000 Honda Goldwing
1981 XS650 Yamaha Heritage Special
198X KZ440LTD Kawasaki
1985 CX500 Honda
1981 FX 1200 Harley Super Glide
1969 SOHC CB750 Honda
198X GN250 Suzuki
1988 VLX600 Honda Shadow
1984 GL1200 Honda Goldwing
1997 FLHT Harley Electra Glide
2002 VRSCA Harley V-Rod
** I knew I forgot one or two
198X Seca 650 Turbo Yamaha
197X Paughco Springer (sans engine)
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Add an expansion module and box in the other building and then just
run 4 wires back to the keypad bus
of the main panel....

I do the same thing with the P9600. One recent DIY client was a church near Phoenix. They have three auxiliary structures near the
main building. Each out building only needed a few zones so I sold them three extra RP1-CAe2 keypads. The four on-board zones on
each keypad are assigned the same partition as that keypad. This works like a charm for the customer without needing a separate
zone expander in each building.

In my own church in CT I did the same thing though we only had one out building which was first used as office space but has since
been converted to storage. The building, which had a single conduit for data cabling, was about 700 feet from the main building. I
put an RP1-CAe2 in there along with a small Altronix power supply, a stand-alone siren and a Napco programmable relay board. We
could have installed a separate system for less money but I wanted the ability to arm it from the front building.

We did this or something similar to it many times using P9600 and P3200 systems in residences with detached garages, tool sheds,
barns, etc.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
J

JL

Jan 1, 1970
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If you want simplicity go Honeywell, anything else will require knowing ip
addresses, gateways, DNIS servers etc

Yep, but you have to pay AlarmNet and deal with their billing system
and their "technical support". We do accept AlarmNet-I, we just don't
like the Administration required by the Central Station when working
with AlarmNet. We made our own to cut-out the administration involved
with the middle-man. And, we can do full reporting on any most panel,
not just specific manufacturers and models of panels.

But, if you are using Ademco equipment and don't mind working with
AlarmNet then I'm sure AlarmNet-I is a good option. I've never worked
with one directly and only have one or two dealers who have ever used
it. Apparently the AlarmNet-I units are a bit pricey (compared to
$150). My biggest problem with AlarmNet-I (and -A and -C and -GSM) is
that it has to go to New York first, then come back to Me. We've seen
signals get hung-up between here and AlarmNet that got delivered
several hours later because AlarmNet didn't notice there was a problem
between Phx and NY. I don't care for systems that require a
third-party relay. For best reliablity, alarm signals should go
Directly to the Monitoring Center without other uncontrollable entities
in the middle of the transmissions. But maybe that's just me being a
control freak.

Functionally, AlarmNet has always been VERY reliable. Very rarely are
there problems with the relaying of signals. From the Dealers point of
view, AlarmNet may be great, but from the Monitoring Centers point of
view, they are a nightmare to administer. We've been requesting them
to give us better access to the data we want but they just don't have
the technical resources to Improve anything. They want to keep making
new products but won't spend any time to improve the way they
communicate with the Monitoring Centers to help make us want our
dealers to use them.
 
M

Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
0
Bob La Londe said:
Yep, Its really a shoe in for the 9600 and X255. It gives full reporting.
Its my understanding its more like the Uplink 1500 of ip communicators for
other panels.

Just make sure the 9600 and X255 are up to date in the firmware, I had to
upgrade to 3200 to v40
I don't use the 3200. Its not enough cheaper than the 9600 to justify
using, and for most applications the 1632 does the job more than adequately.
I'll have to look and see how the 1664 is packaged and priced. A few more
zones are useful much more often than the extra handful of features for the
3200/9600/X255 family. About the only time I use one of those is if I need
more than 2 partitions. Actually for those applications I prefer the Caddx
NX8E with its full feature modular expansion.

Why use Napco when the 8E pretty much does it all? I love the 8E

(and has better software AND easier to keypad program)
 
M

Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
0
JL said:
Yep, but you have to pay AlarmNet and deal with their billing system
and their "technical support". We do accept AlarmNet-I, we just don't
like the Administration required by the Central Station when working
with AlarmNet. We made our own to cut-out the administration involved
with the middle-man. And, we can do full reporting on any most panel,
not just specific manufacturers and models of panels.

With the ENT series you don't have to go through AlarmNet.

But, if you are using Ademco equipment and don't mind working with
AlarmNet then I'm sure AlarmNet-I is a good option. I've never worked
with one directly and only have one or two dealers who have ever used
it. Apparently the AlarmNet-I units are a bit pricey (compared to
$150).

They initially were however at the time the monitoring was free, now they
cut the price of the 7845I and Symphony and have a small charge for the
monitoring

My biggest problem with AlarmNet-I (and -A and -C and -GSM) is
that it has to go to New York first, then come back to Me. We've seen
signals get hung-up between here and AlarmNet that got delivered
several hours later because AlarmNet didn't notice there was a problem
between Phx and NY. I don't care for systems that require a
third-party relay. For best reliablity, alarm signals should go
Directly to the Monitoring Center without other uncontrollable entities
in the middle of the transmissions. But maybe that's just me being a
control freak.

We've had some problems in the past but that appears to have been cleared up
and that was only on the older C, not I or GSM. Also the third party relay
IS the reason it's so easy to install since you don't have to program IP
addresses
Functionally, AlarmNet has always been VERY reliable. Very rarely are
there problems with the relaying of signals. From the Dealers point of
view, AlarmNet may be great, but from the Monitoring Centers point of
view, they are a nightmare to administer. We've been requesting them
to give us better access to the data we want but they just don't have
the technical resources to Improve anything. They want to keep making
new products but won't spend any time to improve the way they
communicate with the Monitoring Centers to help make us want our
dealers to use them.

Well I'm in a central station as well and I don't see the nightmare in
administration, they are constantly improving the web page and it's a far
cry than what they started with, now if only TelGuard would get theirs up nd
running...
 
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Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Leuck said:
Just make sure the 9600 and X255 are up to date in the firmware, I had to
upgrade to 3200 to v40


Why use Napco when the 8E pretty much does it all? I love the 8E

(and has better software AND easier to keypad program)


I have housing development agreements in place with Napco.

Oh, yeah the 8E is easier to keypad program. Almost anything is easier than
Napco address programming. Personally i like the Napco DOS software better
than any other software I have used, but they no longer support it with new
panels and panel features.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
B

Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
0
Mark Leuck said:
With the ENT series you don't have to go through AlarmNet.



They initially were however at the time the monitoring was free, now they
cut the price of the 7845I and Symphony and have a small charge for the
monitoring

My biggest problem with AlarmNet-I (and -A and -C and -GSM) is

We've had some problems in the past but that appears to have been cleared
up
and that was only on the older C, not I or GSM. Also the third party relay
IS the reason it's so easy to install since you don't have to program IP
addresses


Well I'm in a central station as well and I don't see the nightmare in
administration, they are constantly improving the web page and it's a far
cry than what they started with, now if only TelGuard would get theirs up
nd
running...

Joe works for a central station that is doing a lot of its own developing
and innovation directly. One of the reason I use them. Cool toys, and they
work.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
In my own church in CT I did the same thing though we only had one out building which was first used as office space but has since
been converted to storage. The building, which had a single conduit for data cabling, was about 700 feet from the main building. I
put an RP1-CAe2 in there along with a small Altronix power supply, a stand-alone siren and a Napco programmable relay board. We
could have installed a separate system for less money but I wanted the ability to arm it from the front building.


Ah... You mean from the keypad that read: "Attention Burglar! Go
ahead, make my day."
 
B

Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
0
Frank Olson said:
Ah... You mean from the keypad that read: "Attention Burglar! Go ahead,
make my day."

I don't think you have ever used a Caddx 8E remote expansion Robert. Its
more like a complete panel in itself as far as connectivity, power supply,
siren outputs, zones, etc...Far superior for a distributed
commercial/industrial system to the P9600 w/ EZMs or RP1CAe series keypads.
Increased, battery to cover that module, additional load capacity for that
module, full supervison unlike piggy backing an extra PS onto a Napco panel.
Napco is good stuff, but for big systems this is way better.

I've got a couple 9600s in the field that I wish I had these in instead.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
I don't think you have ever used a Caddx 8E remote expansion Robert.



You're right. He hasn't. He's probably attended the seminars though. ;-)
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't think you have ever used a Caddx
8E remote expansion Robert. Its more
like a complete panel in itself as far as
connectivity, power supply, siren outputs,
zones, etc...

I sell far more Napco and Ademco than Caddx. For many applications like the ones I mentioned the Napco solution is ideal. For a
large-scale, commercial application I *might* choose something else. However, Napco does allow me to use remote zone expansion
units, 8-port programmable relay expanders, power supplies, etc. The difference is with Napco I can just use a keypad for remote
zone input when the job doesn't call for all that hardware. That can represent a significant time and money savings to the DIY end
user.
full supervison unlike piggy backing an extra
PS onto a Napco panel...

Actually, it is easy to fully supervise an auxiliary power supply with Napco *if* I need the power supply. In many cases it's not
even needed.
Napco is good stuff, but for big systems
this is way better.

Personal choice. I've been using Napco for decades. Everything you mention can be done with Napco when needed. I like the option
to make it simple or complex. Also, since most of my DIY customers are residential, there rarely is a need for all the add-ons.

If they really want commercial power in an alarm, they can always use the Ademco / Honeywell Vista-128. BTW, I have numerous DIY
customers using that system. It' more advanced and larger than the Vista-20P but it's not really much harder to use. There's just
more to do and more options to select. It's like the difference between a Napco P3200 and an ELK-M1G. I have lots of DIY customers
using both of those as well.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
J

Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank said:
You're right. He hasn't. He's probably attended the seminars though. ;-)

You're probably right because they wouldn't let him stay at a Holiday
Inn.
 
D

Don

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
I sell far more Napco and Ademco than Caddx. For many applications like
the ones I mentioned the Napco solution is ideal. For a large-scale,
commercial application I *might* choose something else. However, Napco
does allow me to use remote zone expansion units, 8-port programmable
relay expanders, power supplies, etc.

so does networx
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
0
Roland Moore said:
them.

If you knew all this and still thought it was a good thing that TYCO took
over I sure don't want to be around for the stuff that is bad in you're
view.

I never said it was a good thing that Tyco bought them in fact I'd rather
another company would have (Honeywell was looking at buying them a while
back). We were a large DSC company until Tyco bought them, can't go funding
a competitor ya know
I don't know what shape DSC was in financially prior to the TYCO purchase. I
knew several of the reps back then and they never said or acted like
anything was wrong.

They never will say that
They were still driving their Lexus cars around so I was
never aware of any problems. Being a private company at the time meant they
didn't have to disclose that information. Even if DSC was in trouble back
then, it still doesn't change the fact that things still haven't improved
for me in any way under TYCO's ownership of DSC (or CEM, or Kantech, or
Software House, or AD). But I guess you're going to tell me how wrong I am
about that too.

All I can tell you is Tyco dumped millions into improving and expanding
production which is the primary reason why ADT still uses Honeywell panels
I guess it would bug me too if someone thought I was Canadian. That is not
what I am "aboat". I thought I smelled a puff of something coming through
the screen when I read those posts of yours. I know our northern neighbors
don't like passing laws against that roll your own stuff, so I thought maybe
you were up there sparking up. It was the only thing I could come up with at
the time to explain or make any sense out of what you were posting. Notre
principal outil pour communiquer. On peut donc s'en servir comme étalon afin
de jauger d'autres moyens de communication.

Rolling your own stuff? ohhhkayyyyyy
 
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daaliya

Jan 1, 1970
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What do you think is the best VOIP service ? I have Skype but a
curious as to which is the cheapest. I am trying to calling aroun
then US and Canada as well as International calls to the Philippines
I mostly want a teen line but a good International number wouldnt b
bad either
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