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irishluck

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5A is the most i will need. I don't think I will need that much but its just to be safe. !2v is kinda what I need to keep it regulated at. Its going to power a laser diode so I don't need spikes.

I'm looking to build this for a project right now but would like to learn and be able to build my own power supply for projects.
I'm in a huge learning curve here and like to learn more and more about them and what they can do.

But like I said before Im in school and we haven't touched on a lot of this yet. But I'm needing to know how to build a 120VAC to a 12VDC power supply for a project im working on.

I have some that I bought but they are cheap and keep blowing up so Id rather build my own.
 

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... I have some that I bought but they are cheap and keep blowing up so Id rather build my own.
It is soooo much more satisfying to blow up something you have built rather than something cheap that you bought, especially if you don't have a clue why the cheap ones keep blowing up. Good luck trying to power up that laser diode with a 12 V 5A DC power supply. You are going to need a lot of the luck of the Irish, but some basic electronics theory will help more. Laser diodes are not the same as LEDs, although their driving requirements are similar.
 

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first step, you must know the power requirements of your load in terms of rated voltage and current, your load is the basis in doing these project,>>>>>> I have some that I bought but they are cheap and keep blowing up so Id rather build my own.<<<<<<- maybe your load side has short circuit or degraded resistance, please post the schematic of your load so we can figure out what power supply is suitable ;)
 

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Havans1984: We are actually learning the Ohms law and Kirchoff's Laws at the moment. Just took out test on that and leaning how to calculate the Amps, ohms, voltage, watts and power.

We are learning about series circuits right now and we are about to start on parallel.
 

irishluck

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Powering the laser diode isnt the issue. I know how to power them and ive been building them for a couple years now ;)
I have a specially built driver I have someone make for me to power the laser itself.

How about I just better explain what Im building and give a little more background about me.

A little bit about me, i live in KCMO and am 24 years old. I have been messing around with electronics for awhile just taking stuff apart and what not and very interested in how things work. I seen a burning laser on youtube and found the parts to build it and I did. I now own about 20 3-4W powered lasers.

I also build a Tesla coil when I was 20. Stood about 6 ft high and produced about 6ft of discharge from the toriod.
That being said, I cant explain how the thing really works lol. You put a schematic in front of me then I can build it no problem. That exactly what I did with the tesla coil.

I started building high powered hand held lasers about 2 years ago just for fun. Yes, the kind that actually burn.

Well I do sell them and some guy heard about how I build these and what not and came to me with a project he needed help with.
Not to go to much into detail about it, its a laser fence. Its been working for a year now and we are doing research on it and what not but the issue is that the converters just keep blowing. So that's why Im here searching for help so I can build my own and so I know what im actually putting into my project instead of some cheap Chinese crap.

The main power source ran is a 120VAC line. It is converted with a transformer to 24VAC and then using a cheap Chinese converter is transformed to 12VDC. Which the driver is powered by a 12VDC source.

I am wanting to just minimize the transformer is converter and just have one circuit that changes a 120VAC source to a 12VDC if that isnt to hard.
If I have to for now Ill do a 24VAC to 12VDC.

I've added a couple pictures for you guys.

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irishluck

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Yea ha. I can make things if I have a schematic and what not. When it comes to really explaining things or understanding how it all works and so forth? Well
that's why I'm in school, to learn in.

We'll be building a variable power supply in about 6 months. So ill learn then!
But unfortunately I need get a 12vdc power supply within the next week....

If someone was to give me a schematic to a 120vac to 12vdc, I could build it no issue.
 

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Nice Tesla coil. I've always wanted to throw one of these together but never found the patience (or purchased enough wire) to wind the high-voltage secondary. I have several neon sign transformers laying around the basement, and have toyed with the idea of building a rotary spark gap for the primary, but for one reason or another never found my "round tuit" to actually build one. Looks like you did a fine job building your coil.

Could you provide some more details about the Chinese step-down converter that keeps blowing up on you? A link to a web page might be helpful... or not; there are so many of these out there. Also, after you use a power transformer to step down 120 VAC to 24 VAC how do you rectify this to DC and filter it before applying the relatively high voltage DC to the input of the Chinese step-down converter? You DO rectify the 24 VAC from the transformer, right? And filter it with a BA electrolytic capacitor so there is hardly any ripple when the converter is pumping out full power? It is extremely important to provide the converter with a steady, low ripple, DC voltage... but not too much voltage, which could cause it to "blow up" even if the output current is within specs.

How much current are you trying to draw from the step-down converter to operate your laser fence? Does the fence operate continuously or is it pulsed on and off? I suspect the Chinese stuff is right on the hairy edge of a marginal design (to keep cost low) so it may not "like" a pulsating high current load. Just a thought. By this time next year you will know plenty about how to design and build your own buck converter. There are integrated circuits and application notes from the IC manufacturers that make it a "piece of cake" to build a buck or a boost converter, except when it comes to figuring out what inductor to use. And there are web sites that will take you by the hand and lead you through the selection process for that too. 'Portant thing is to have fun along the way.

Hop
 

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So think anyone can help me with a schematic?
Sure, just answer the questions I asked above and I will see what I can dig up on the Internet. Current and voltage regulation on the output matters.
 

irishluck

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I will get back on here after school and see if I can answer your questions. Im out in about an hour.
 

irishluck

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Hevans1944 how many od those NST do you have?
Im going to be building another one soon, might need to pick up another one =D

Anyways, lets see if I can anwser some of those questions for you.

Here is a link to the exact converter I purchased.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-VAC-to-1...130?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cca5eff4a

I am using an actual transformer to convert 120VAC to 24VAC and then using the converter with the link above that converts that from 24VAC to 12VDC.
Ill attach a picture of the setup.
You'll see a breadboard with a small chip on it, that is the driver. That requires 12vdc. You will also see an arduino chip that has a shield on it. You will see a blue 2 terminal connector, this also needs 12vdc into.

So I guess I should have clarified that for now I need a circuit to build to convert 24vac to 12vdc.
But I'm wanting to eliminate the first transformer that converts 120vac to 24vac and just go from 120vac to 12vdc

TO be 100% honest Idk how many amps it pulls. All i know is the laser driver that uses 165mA

I hope this helps.

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Here's an instructable for a 12V/1A power supply. If you need more power, the 7812 can be boosted by external power transistors. The main ingredients are the 120V/12V transformer , rectifier, filter capacitor and regulator IC.

For higher power a rather inexpensive method is using a PC (ATX) power supply which can deliver 12V at a few amperes at a low price.
 
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irishluck

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Id use a PC power supply except it has to fit in a 6x6" tube.

Ill check out the instructable though.
 

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Well, it looks like you have everything you need except for a reliable 12 V DC power supply! Have you tried substituting an ordinary lead-acid automobile battery for the transformer and Asian converter, just to see if it all works okay?

I assume the object mounted on the finned circular heat sink with the fan behind it is the laser diode. If so, then I am quite surprised that it allegedly draws a measly 165 mA if such a large heat sink is required to safely operate the laser diode. Perhaps the diode is rapidly pulsed by the Arduino, and the 165 mA is the average current drawn instead of the steady-state? High peak-current pulses are the only thing I can think of that would lead to the quick demise of the Asian converter. These are sold by the thousands (if not millions) world-wide for mundane tasks like powering up laptop computers, but they may not be suitable for your application. Try the car battery, then get back here with the results.

Laser fences are problematical in terms of effectiveness. It is very difficult to deliver enough beam power to do any real damage during the short interval the "fence" is breached. I once accidentally burned myself by reaching across an optical bench to turn on a little 5 watt Sylvania CO2 laser:

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This was a highly collimated 10.6 μm continuous infrared beam (invisible), and my arm was a few feet from the exit aperture when I turned it on. My immediate reaction was to withdraw my arm from the beam, suffering only a minor burn. A larger animal, such as a horse or a cow, might flinch and jump out of the beam, but it is doubtful that would be an effective deterrent to passage through the "fence" since there is no obvious "cause and effect," such as is provided by the wire of an electric fence. Likely as not, an animal (or a human) would just run through the beam since there is no physical obstruction, nor enough power continuously on-target to cause more than minor discomfort..

About this same period of time (late 1970s) I visited a lab at Wright-Patterson AFB (WPAFB) here in Dayton OH where they had rigged up a kilowatt or so CO2 laser to provide materials testing of aircraft structures for susceptibility to laser damage from a laser weapon system. Of course no such weapon systems existed then, but it is always a good idea to be prepared. One of our engineers managed to lean over the beam, dangling his tie directly into the beam. The end of the tie instantly vaporized, leaving him with an impressive souvenir of his visit. A "laser fence" built using that laser would definitely have posed a serious threat of bodily harm. The beam was about six inches diameter IIRC.

At that time we were working with the Air Force Weapons Laboratory at Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque NM to develop and test high-energy laser (HEL) weapon systems for installation and flight-test on the Airborne Laser Laboratory aircraft, now mothballed at the Museum of the U.S. Air Force at WPAFB. Later, some wag labeled us Star Warriors, supposedly after the George Lucas film of similar name, but we just thought it was a lot of fun playing around with these new laser toys, and maybe someday helping to defend the country from missile attack, if it had all worked out as envisioned in the 1970s. Except it didn't. And there are no current plans to continue along that line of development.

I have visited very secure government facilities that use "laser fences," not as deterrents to entry but simply as invisible sensors that warn when and where a perimeter is breached. An armed response team with real guns and real bullets then rapidly follows. Also, these facilities employ multiple sensor systems, including a form of radar, that are not easily defeated with "smoke and mirrors" or similar James Bond trickery. So, good luck making an effective laser fence with low-power laser diodes.

BTW, my secret dream is to build a fly-zapper that would incinerate flies by tracking them in-flight using gimbaled galvanometer-driven mirrors and a five or ten watt diode laser. Just being able to target and track a fly would be a hoot, but the ability to then deliver a lethal blast of light (any wavelength!) would be icing on the cake and a mark of true achievment. After that I could truly call myself LaserMan! Da da dada dada dada... LaserMan!

I am not interested in selling my NSTs, preferring to pass them on to my children and grandchildren, at least one of whom is already an electrical engineer. If you get a chance to visit Las Vegas, there are probably hundreds of NSTs available from the demolition of old casinos. Surely, someone there must be collecting and selling all those NSTs!
 

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BTW, my secret dream is to build a fly-zapper that would incinerate flies by tracking them in-flight using gimbaled galvanometer-driven mirrors and a five or ten watt diode laser. Just being able to target and track a fly would be a hoot, but the ability to then deliver a lethal blast of light (any wavelength!) would be icing on the cake and a mark of true achievment. After that I could truly call myself LaserMan! Da da dada dada dada... LaserMan!

Many years ago ... in the '80's from memory, our ham radio club did a trip to the atmospheric research site at Lauder in the central South Is of NZ.
The Americans were visiting for a while and had a semi trailer packed with Ozone hole research equip. It included 3 x 30W lasers( different wavelengths)
that were fired straight up into the atmosphere and measuring absorptions/reflections off gas particles and other dust and crap in the air were able to determine the
concentrations and what types of particles were present
They did pass the comments about the power of the lasers and bug zapping :)

Dave
 

irishluck

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lol I wouldn't worry about that heatsink. The laser doesn't put off ANY heat at all. I just got those heat sinks for $1 each so they were cheap and easily available ha.
Now my 3w handheld laser, yea it puts off a bit of heat. Burns a hole through my shirt ;)

This project isnt a fence to burn someone or something. Its just a trip wire basically. Its meant to keep animals out of gardens and such and it works. We have had it installed for about a year now. I have 9 of these boxes set up on land while we do the research for it.



My only issue with this is getting the 12v. But I cant buy 15 12v batteries to do this. I need a continuous source being supplied to these boxes.
 

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... My only issue with this is getting the 12v. But I cant buy 15 12v batteries to do this. I need a continuous source being supplied to these boxes.
I was only suggesting using a car battery as a temporary source while you track down what is "blowing up" the CA Chinese converters. There isn't much inside these things: an IC to drive a MOSFET switch, an inductor to store energy, a couple of capacitors, a resistor or two, maybe a Schottky diode to "freewheel" the inductor energy. If the Arduino plus its shield plus the laser diode all together draw as much as one ampere I would be surprised. Your rig should work. For such a small load, the transformer in your photo appears to be more than adequate. The instructable that @Harald Kapp pointed you to should be more than adequate. Just throw away the converter and add a full-wave bridge rectifier, a largeish filter capacitor and a 12 V 7812-type series regulator. (Where are you getting the +5 V DC for the Arduino and its shield?) The regulator doesn't generally need any output filter capacitor, and in fact could become unstable if trying to drive too much capacitance on its output. One microfarad or so is plenty. Check the DC across the filter capacitor following the full-wave rectifier to make sure it isn't too much voltage for the 7812 regulator.
 

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Hi guys,

I just need a little help here.

I need to find a schematic for a circuit on 120VAC to 12VDC converter
I don't need a lot of amps. I think at most would be 5A. But I just need to get a schematic with the proper parts
to build this.

Any help would be great!
Some years ago, a CB radio magazine posted a plan to build a "Power Pump" that would have a STEADY 12.8 DC voltage from 110 AC voltage. I made one and it was used to power a mobile CB radio as a base station in the house. There was an option to install a meter on the front of the box to view
 

irishluck

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So the instructable that @Harald Kapp pointed out is a 120v to a 12v? I just looked at the first page and it just says a 12v power supply
 
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