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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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What I am about to present to you may be a bit obtuse, but if you spend a
bit of time and apply a bit of grey matter, your science will help you
understand what I am about to explain. But it will take a little work. Just
a little. This is why I seek electronics engineers, that are more likely to
understand this science.

The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many jewels of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and automobiles,
then do an estimation of just how much wind it would take to replace this
need. Wind speeds on this planet entirely will not replace the lost energy
when fossil fuels deplete in the US alone. Now, do the same math with solar.
Its even worse. Everyone I speak to about solar and wind power talk about
heat and light for our homes. When I ask about transportation, the
knowledgeable become silent. They are well aware of the limitations of their
science. If this scares you, it should. The human race is facing one of the
greatest challenges of all time. Too many people, and not enough energy. But
those with scientific backgrounds based on true R&D mindsets will prevail.

Most people are not aware that our 'modern' hydro sciences were developed by
Nicola Tesla and George Westinghouse back at the turn of the century. Take a
look at our machines in the 1900s, then imagine any mechanical science
frozen in this state. This is exactly what happened with our hydro science.
You all know how important efficiencies are. You are also aware that energy
can not be destroyed. If 100 joules goes into a device 100 must come out in
some way, shape, or form. How much of that energy gets applied to your
mission determines the efficiency. Here is the important part that started
me on my mission two years ago. Our 'modern' hydro facilities function below
15% efficiency. I was shocked to learn that, however when I studied this
closer it became obvious why this was. What I did not get for a while was
what impact a 70% efficient device would have on the science of electrical
power generation, as well as mankind. At first I concentrated on how much
electrical energy we would have on this planet if we could achieve this at
present locations. The new numbers we exhilarating. But, as I said, I missed
the most important issue. Our poor efficiencies in this industry had negated
the vast majority of natural elevated water sources on the planet. Looking
at this, I realized that this was the answer to mans energy needs forever,
as long as the sun shines and nature allows man his time on her planet. Will
this access us to electric transportation? Yes. The numbers guarantee that.
This is not theory.

I patented this year a device that uses water to drive machinery to generate
electricity without accelerating the waters mass, and without changing its
chemical makeup what so ever. The weakness in the old science was in the
fact that they were accelerating an uncompressable mass. Any attempt to
insert energy removing devices into the flow would decelerate the mass
causing a decay in the entire system. So they had to greatly limit how much
they interfered with the flow. The 15% poor efficiency was the price, and to
people who still used whale oil and wood back in the development, it didn't
matter.

If you are skeptical, and I imagine there is at least a bit, I understand.
But keep your skepticism in check for a minute or two and take a look at
this. You will not be disappointed. If you need more information, I would be
happy to discuss further with you the science. Just use the contact info
below.

My name is Timothy Gard, my email is [email protected], and my cell phone
number is 716-560-7289. I can not put into words the excitement I have about
this development. If you would like to be kept up to date on this new
science, let me know and I will try to do so. Also, if you know of anyone
whom you think might be interested in this, feel free to forward this letter
to them also.
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Intersting. What are you afraid Salmon Egg? Does my prose scare you?
Writing was never my strong point. Maybe you should stick to poetry ...

Tim
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Your numbers are not from head to tail. Numbers make liars and liars make
numbers Bill. Its a double edged sword. Investigate this as I have and you
will see what I mean. Or you could simply go about clucking loudly and miss
a great opportunity. I am not expecting you to take my word, simply open
your rusty mind and do some simple research. Just don't be plugging in
answers before you are done or your conclusion will be tainted. A warning
however. If you have a bunch of bucks sunk into solar panels or windmills,
the truth will leave a real bad taste in your mouth.. Suck it up. Do some
homework boy!

And by the way, showing the importance of doing your homework, joules was
how I spelled it, you were looking at someone elses post. But we've all
been wrong before ... except maybe you Bill...

Tim Gard
 
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Don Kelly

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim Gard said:
Your numbers are not from head to tail. Numbers make liars and liars make
numbers Bill. Its a double edged sword. Investigate this as I have and
you will see what I mean. Or you could simply go about clucking loudly
and miss a great opportunity. I am not expecting you to take my word,
simply open your rusty mind and do some simple research. Just don't be
plugging in answers before you are done or your conclusion will be
tainted. A warning however. If you have a bunch of bucks sunk into solar
panels or windmills, the truth will leave a real bad taste in your mouth..
Suck it up. Do some homework boy!

And by the way, showing the importance of doing your homework, joules was
how I spelled it, you were looking at someone elses post. But we've all
been wrong before ... except maybe you Bill...

Tim Gard

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Bill's numbers are correct. Head to tail is meaningless unless you define
the head and tail- which you haven't .
Now, just how do you get the 15% figure?. The hydraulic efficiency is based
on the conversion efficiency of the whole hydraulic system -from forebay to
tailrace-not just the turbine itself and is in excess of 90% for large
units. Even a cobbled together home built unit can achieve 70%.

Rather than being abusive, give your basis for your numbers and your claims.
So far you haven't even tried. That won't do. (yes, I can handle the
engineering)

P.S. you initially said "jewels" and later corrected it.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim Gard wrote:

The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many jewels of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and automobiles,

[snip]

We might have to sell the crown joules to pay for all of this!
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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OK Daestrom, let me see if I can explain this to you.

Mass in motion has kinetic energy within it. If water going into a sealed
pipe, like the ones feeding the turbines, comes out as fast as it went in,
then it must still contain the same kinetic energy. If it doesn't come out
as fast as it goes in, then the conduits would explode, because as everyone
knows, water can not be compressed. So, if the water comes out as fast as
it went in, how could they possibly have removed the kinetic energy?

How much kinetic energy is in this water? Well, imagine a cubic foot of
water which weighs about 60 pounds, traveling at 40 miles per hour, hitting
you in the chest. Would it hurt? Ahhh ... ya.

The 'improvements' you speak of amount to basically changes in the
generators, some cavitation work, and some structural improvements. The
only output improvement had to do with cavitation, and that was a meager 1
or 2%..

I seem to remember some very educated people claiming Columbus was a fool
for thinking the earth was round. You any relation to those friends of
Columbus? Do your homework on Tesla and Westinghouse. I know this hurts
you wind mill guys, but we are all in trouble if we think wind mills or
solar panels are going to pull our bacon out of the fire.

And by the way, an engineer with a closed mind is a maintenance mechanic.
But I have seen some pretty sharp maintenance mechanics. Like my brother.

<If anything, I would say their *losses* run about 15%

'You' would say?? Gawd, it must be right then daestrom!!

Sell any wind mills lately?


Tim Gard
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow. Thats intelligent.

Salmon Egg said:
Reading boring stuff was never my strong point. Only the opportunity to
make
a snide remark gives me any motivation to respond.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush--about two years to go.
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Have not defined head to tail. Hmmm. This is black or white. But I
haven't defined what white is. OK.

Definition; If one cubic foot of water stands one foot in elevation, its
static energy is one foot pound. Thats what head to tail means as I have
ever seen it discussed. I apologise if you have heard it used some other
way than actual science.

I got that 15% figure from the engineers at the Niagara Power project.
Maybe you should contact them and tell them they are wrong? Just make damn
sure you ask for head to tail efficiency. Ah, the one described above, not
the one used in wind mill sales school.

I can only explain the process, I can not think for you. But, if you would
like to investigate this further, my email is [email protected]. Send me
an email and I will add you to my list of people interested in the science.
I will explain it step by step and try to answer any questions you might
have. And seriously Don, I would be happy to discuss this with you. As
long as you will be honest. And maybe you can teach me a thing or two. I.m
open to intelligent conversation. I have no problem dueling with you though
Don, and you can even accuse me of being ignorant, but I will respond with
the same respect shown me. But I kinda like a good fight now and then Don,
it keeps me on my toes, so lets go!

OK. I will give you the jewells error. I depend a lot on spell check, but
that one would have gotten by me. I wasn't concerned about encountering
anyone anal enough to complain. I'll try to be more careful for you. But
only because it is not worth taking the time to look up! ~;>P
But proof reading, being an ex-printer, *is* very important. However proper
research is much, *much* more important. Truth must prevail, no matter how
much pain it causes, because lies are painful forever, even after the liars
death.

Tim Gard
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Ha! There it is by Gawd! I heard this evil miscommunication was out there!
Don was right!!

If it wasn't for you and Don there may have been *thousands* of people
spelling joules wrong Paul!! Wat' a Guy!! ~;>P

Want to joust with some serious stuff now Paul?? Come on man, you chicken??

Tim Gard

Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Tim Gard wrote:

The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many jewels of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and
automobiles,

[snip]

We might have to sell the crown joules to pay for all of this!
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim said:
Ha! There it is by Gawd! I heard this evil miscommunication was out there!
Don was right!!

If it wasn't for you and Don there may have been *thousands* of people
spelling joules wrong Paul!! Wat' a Guy!! ~;>P

Want to joust with some serious stuff now Paul?? Come on man, you chicken??


Give me a minute. When I've really got my dander up, I think I'll take
on top posting!!!

Tim Gard

Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Tim Gard wrote:

The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many jewels of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and
automobiles,

[snip]

We might have to sell the crown joules to pay for all of this!
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Excellent!!

Tim Gard

Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Tim said:
Ha! There it is by Gawd! I heard this evil miscommunication was out
there!
Don was right!!

If it wasn't for you and Don there may have been *thousands* of people
spelling joules wrong Paul!! Wat' a Guy!! ~;>P

Want to joust with some serious stuff now Paul?? Come on man, you
chicken??


Give me a minute. When I've really got my dander up, I think I'll take
on top posting!!!

Tim Gard

Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Tim Gard wrote:


The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the
need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many jewels
of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and
automobiles,

[snip]

We might have to sell the crown joules to pay for all of this!
 
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Tim Gard

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul? Did I scare you off, or are you thinkin? I'm glad to hear you still
have your hair by the way. Usually its all wore down by scratchin with you
egg heads. I know, I'm an impatient SOB.

Come on, its you P.E. guys I'm after ... P.E. Thats Phys Ed, isn't it
Paul? ~;>P Ah Haa'aa!!

(Hey, some of my best friends were gym teachers!)

Tim Gard

Tim Gard said:
Excellent!!

Tim Gard
Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Tim said:
Ha! There it is by Gawd! I heard this evil miscommunication was out
there!
Don was right!!

If it wasn't for you and Don there may have been *thousands* of people
spelling joules wrong Paul!! Wat' a Guy!! ~;>P

Want to joust with some serious stuff now Paul?? Come on man, you
chicken??


Give me a minute. When I've really got my dander up, I think I'll take
on top posting!!!

Tim Gard

Tim Gard wrote:


The human race is in trouble. We are trying desperately to replace an
enormous industry with many that even together could never fill the
need.
Here comes everyone's favorite part, the math. Compute how many
jewels of
energy we use in the United States in our trucks, trains, and
automobiles,

[snip]

We might have to sell the crown joules to pay for all of this!
 

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