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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the
whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. This
old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you know how
it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you don't want
to miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful Fahrvergnuegen of my
first car...

Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly
also came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything
"new" was connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP,
the other NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but
they are from the days when Windows were still those glass thingies that
you use Windex on.

How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the
whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. This
old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you know how
it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you don't want
to miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful Fahrvergnuegen of my
first car...

Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly
also came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything
"new" was connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP,
the other NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but
they are from the days when Windows were still those glass thingies that
you use Windex on.

How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?

Is it Logitech? Try their site. It ought to work as an ordinary
serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Is it Logitech?


It is.

Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...

... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it.

Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?
 
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Stuart Brorson

Jan 1, 1970
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: How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?

Start by installing Linux on the laptop.....

Stuart
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Stuart said:
: How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?

Start by installing Linux on the laptop.....

Then my mouse would work. However, a slight inconvenience would be that
the CAD program the mouse is supposed to be used with would quit working ...
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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It is.




Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...



Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?

Sheeesh! You probably have XP ?? You know what that means don't
you... you're fucked ;-)

I'd certainly at least try installing from the install disk... worst
that can happen is it'll balk.

Don't you write software? Write your own driver ;-)

Or stop being cheap-ass and buy that MLTMW ... looks nice.

I used a trackball at Honeywell for a few years... contractors got
desk space about equivalent to a student desk :-(

Now-a-days I travel with an IOGear mini-mouse with included memory
stick... I don't even tote my own laptop ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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: How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?

Start by installing Linux on the laptop.....

Stuart

Why yes! Such a useful suggestion ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Roberto Waltman

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?

(a) Find the original floppy disks (Remember floppy disks?)

or

(b) Settings -> Control Panel -> Add Hardware -> See if the model is
between the pre-defined devices.

or

(c) Try a USB to serial converter, then go back to (a) & (b)



Roberto Waltman

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Dave Hansen

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Jim Thompson wrote:
[...]
Is it Logitech?


It is.

Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...

You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.
From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other
Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system
and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works
with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte,
1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.
Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?

The download should include instructions.

HTH,

-=Dave
 
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Peter Bennett

Jan 1, 1970
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Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the
whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. This
old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you know how
it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you don't want
to miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful Fahrvergnuegen of my
first car...

Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly
also came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything
"new" was connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP,
the other NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but
they are from the days when Windows were still those glass thingies that
you use Windex on.

How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?

Plug it in _before_ booting, and perhaps wiggle it around as Windoze
is looking for devices. Alternatively, connect a GPS receiver sending
NMEA data before booting - Windoze usually recognizes that as a serial
mouse.




--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver BC, Canada
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
 
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David R Brooks

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Then my mouse would work. However, a slight inconvenience would be that
the CAD program the mouse is supposed to be used with would quit working
...
As a possibly longer-term solution, Linux as the base, then run Windows
in a VMWare (or other virtualisation) box. Keep that M$-beast in its cage :)
 
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Meindert Sprang

Jan 1, 1970
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Peter Bennett said:
Plug it in _before_ booting, and perhaps wiggle it around as Windoze
is looking for devices. Alternatively, connect a GPS receiver sending
NMEA data before booting - Windoze usually recognizes that as a serial
mouse.

Damn! I was just about to suggest that too... ;-)

Meindert
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Roberto said:
(a) Find the original floppy disks (Remember floppy disks?)

Oh, you mean them floppy CDs :)))

Got them but those are DOS drivers.
or

(b) Settings -> Control Panel -> Add Hardware -> See if the model is
between the pre-defined devices.

It ain't :-(
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave said:
Joerg said:
Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]
How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?


Is it Logitech?


It is.


Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...


You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.

Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers
doesn't remember what RS232 is.

Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system
and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works
with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte,
1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.

Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer
USB devices.
The download should include instructions.

Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave said:
Joerg said:
Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]

How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?


Is it Logitech?


It is.



Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...


You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.

Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers
doesn't remember what RS232 is.

Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system
and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works
with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte,
1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.

Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer
USB devices.
The download should include instructions.

Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?

Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2?

AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be
cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:)

I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Dave Hansen wrote:

Joerg wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:


[...]


How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?


Is it Logitech?


It is.




Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...


You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.

Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers
doesn't remember what RS232 is.


From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other
Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system
and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works
with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte,
1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.

Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer
USB devices.

... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it.


Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?


The download should include instructions.

Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?


Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2?

AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be
cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:)

I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-)

I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring
at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions
into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I like
this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others.

BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not
support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k and
XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where?
 
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me

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Dave Hansen wrote:


Joerg wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:


[...]


How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern"
laptop?


Is it Logitech?


It is.




Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call
they'd suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...


You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.


Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers
doesn't remember what RS232 is.



From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then
"Other
Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating
system and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver
that works with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway).
Standard 5-byte, 1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.


Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports
newer USB devices.


... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you
INSTALL it.


Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do
that in them thar newfangled Windozes?


The download should include instructions.


Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy
a spare part for a Studebaker?


Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2?

AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be
cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:)

I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-)

I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring
at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions
into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I
like this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others.

BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not
support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k
and XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where?

control panel - add hardware - let it search and if it does not find it
do a manual instal...
 
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Stef

Jan 1, 1970
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In comp.arch.embedded,
Peter Bennett said:
Plug it in _before_ booting, and perhaps wiggle it around as Windoze
is looking for devices. Alternatively, connect a GPS receiver sending
NMEA data before booting - Windoze usually recognizes that as a serial
mouse.
Oh yes, it will see a NMEA device as a mouse. Real treat every time I start
my pc and forget to unplug the GPS, my mouse cursor is all over the place.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Dave Hansen wrote:


Joerg wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:


[...]


How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop?


Is it Logitech?


It is.




Try their site.


Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd
suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ...


You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old
trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully
emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff.


Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers
doesn't remember what RS232 is.



From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other
Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system
and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works
with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte,
1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws.


Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer
USB devices.


... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it.


Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that
in them thar newfangled Windozes?


The download should include instructions.


Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?


Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2?

AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be
cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:)

I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-)

I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring
at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions
into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I like
this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others.

BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not
support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k and
XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where?

Try turning off the machine. Plug in track-ball. Boot up. See if
pointer moves. I'd bet that it will.

...Jim Thompson
 
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