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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Has anyone ever tried making a parabolic cooker and used it to say raise
steam or similar to generate electricity?


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steamer

Jan 1, 1970
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--Speaking of which, does anyone know of sources for the electronics
or plans for same, to build a heliostat?
 
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Arnold Walker

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict White said:
Has anyone ever tried making a parabolic cooker and used it to say raise
steam or similar to generate electricity?


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Yes ,many times and it is more efficient than PV solar.
How much heat are you planning to collect or in a reverse engineering
fashion how much electricity do you want to generate.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Arnold Walker said:
Yes ,many times and it is more efficient than PV solar.
How much heat are you planning to collect or in a reverse engineering
fashion how much electricity do you want to generate.

No idea is the short answer.

The highest load we have is a kettle to boil water, but obviously if one
is capturing heat the easiest way to move and store it is in water, so
it could run the central heating as well.

So I suppose somewhere between 2 and 10 KW, which is obviously going to
need some large heat store for overnight.


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Benedict White

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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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In case youre basing that on what you need to boil a kettle, there are
600w kettles about. Slower but work ok for 2 cups. A full kettle gets
rather slow.

Solar steam generators were around long before PV. I saw a pic of one
built in 1934. Issues are:
- parabolic concentrating reflectors are large structures that need
supporting by a heavyish frame, on a turntable.
- the boiler runs at pressure, bringing issues of safety and sometimes
legality.

In fact I was planning on useing Stirling cycle generators, simple
because you do not need to gasify anything, but obviously the higher the
tempreture differential you can generate the better the equipment will
work, so high preasure water was what I was thinking.

Besides which, and I am still having trouble getting my head around a
parabolic steam generator, I understand, as ridiculous as it seams that
the same equipment can get below ambient tempeature at knight if you
point it into blank sky, so you can refrigerate water by night and heat
water by day, so having a heat sink and a cold sink from whichto draw
power.
- low steam engine efficiency means that a reasonablky sized generator
wont have spectacular electricity output. Yes it works, but theyre not
energy gold mines.

Well, I was not planning on using steam per se, or at least if I did I
would use a Striling engine as a condense to extract even more heat from
the remaining steam.
For space heating, flat panels are simpler easier and cheaper, but no
doubt a huge rotating mirror would be more fun.

Well, yes. But besides which, a joint system may be more use.
If you want an easier option than a giant parabolic, google for the
infinite furnace made from CDs. ISTR concentrations of 1000+ from very
basic materials and methods. The one downside is CDs degrade under UV,
so better reflectors are wanted for long term use.

I will look that up, sounds interesting. I use aluminium foil in
cooking, and I suppose I could always clean it and reuse it to cover
CD's.

Finally the type with a stationary target can be used for night
lighting by concentrating moonlight and aiming it into the house.

Now there is an idea, many thanks.



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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict said:
No idea is the short answer.

The highest load we have is a kettle to boil water, but obviously if one
is capturing heat the easiest way to move and store it is in water, so
it could run the central heating as well.

So I suppose somewhere between 2 and 10 KW, which is obviously going to
need some large heat store for overnight.

The easiest way to do that (in new home construction) is to build
slab-on-grade and pump the heat into the slab. But you don't need to
bother with anything as complicated as a boiler for that. Flat panel
collectors will do the job.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Derek Broughton said:
The easiest way to do that (in new home construction) is to build
slab-on-grade and pump the heat into the slab. But you don't need to
bother with anything as complicated as a boiler for that. Flat panel
collectors will do the job.

It's not a new home.

What is a "slab-on-grade"? Do you mean flat panel type.

I was thinking of circulating water in and out of a water tank, rather
than a boiler as somewher to store the heat.

I then need a way to turn some of the energy into electricity.



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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict said:
It's not a new home.

What is a "slab-on-grade"? Do you mean flat panel type.

Slab-on-grade is a building technique without foundations. You basically
float a concrete slab on the ground - which then makes an excellent heat
sink. It's a very economical way to use passive and/or active solar
heating to heat your home, but it's no use for a retrofit.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Derek Broughton said:
Slab-on-grade is a building technique without foundations. You basically
float a concrete slab on the ground - which then makes an excellent heat
sink. It's a very economical way to use passive and/or active solar
heating to heat your home, but it's no use for a retrofit.

Yes, could retrofit, but it would be very expensive.

If I were doing a new build I would use straw bales for outer walls and
mud brick for the inners for precisely the same reason.



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Harbin

Jan 1, 1970
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Great site Duane, have enjoyed it for years!

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Duane C. Johnson said:
Hi steamer;

Thanks for the plug Wayne!

steamer said:
--Wow! Very neat; thanks! :)

This is a better link. See:
http://www.redrok.com/electron.htm#tracker
My current high power solar tracker series, LED3X. See:
http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm#led3xc1
$35us for the standard LED3XS24V assembled.
2 for dual axis.

The "Receiver Axis" heliostat can be driven with simple
dual axis solar trackers. See this web page for the
concepts.
http://www.redrok.com/heliolighting.htm
Here is a guy that sells the whole thing.
http://www.heliotrack.com

What are you going to do with the heliostat?

Duane

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surfnturf

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict White said:
Yes, could retrofit, but it would be very expensive.


Actually, it might not be all that bad. Might want to choose the bathroom
and one other centrally located room, strip off flooring, then install warm
water heating coils under a tile or slate floor. Hot water tank,
thermostats, and circulating pump will be required, but salvage yards can
yield most of the hardware.

A significant (and messy) project, but within the scope of anyone with some
mechanical aptitude and a tolerant wife.

surfnturf
 
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steamer

Jan 1, 1970
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Duane C. Johnson said:
What are you going to do with the heliostat?
--Mostly interested in making one work; it's been a long-time goal
of mine and I've finally got a little space to work on it. Hope to put a few
mirrors out in the meadow and see if I can make some steam. If it gets that
far I'll have a bazillion applications for the output.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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steamer said:
--Mostly interested in making one work; it's been a long-time goal
of mine and I've finally got a little space to work on it. Hope to put a few
mirrors out in the meadow and see if I can make some steam. If it gets that
far I'll have a bazillion applications for the output.

Sorry, am I to understand that a heliostat is for making steam from the
sun?

Cool, I can google that then.


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Benedict White

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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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surfnturf said:
Actually, it might not be all that bad. Might want to choose the bathroom
and one other centrally located room, strip off flooring, then install
warm water heating coils under a tile or slate floor. Hot water tank,
thermostats, and circulating pump will be required, but salvage yards can
yield most of the hardware.

A significant (and messy) project, but within the scope of anyone with
some mechanical aptitude and a tolerant wife.

But you haven't added any significant thermal mass. If you're relying on
heat from solar panels, it'll be cold in morning. The idea of doing it with
a slab floor is that you can store about two weeks worth of heat in there.
 
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surfnturf

Jan 1, 1970
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Thermal mass can be supplied by an oversize hot water tank, but as you
suggest the more elegant solution is to install coils at the time a slab
foor is installed. Difficult to retrofit that...

surfnturf
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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surfnturf said:
Thermal mass can be supplied by an oversize hot water tank, but as you
suggest the more elegant solution is to install coils at the time a slab
foor is installed. Difficult to retrofit that...

I'm thking presurized hot water. (Don't want steam, too much loss in
latent heat that is hard to recover).

That said, waht I want to do is to heat enough water for domestic use,
then generate electricity. This I am thinking of running as a presurized
hot water thermal store with heat exchangers in for a Stirling engine,
domestic water and of couse a connection to the solar heat gatherer.



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Benedict White

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