# PC only boots after on/off/on cycle ?

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#### Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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No, IDIOT! They are NOT batteries, they ARE CELLS!

A singular device I a CELL. Only retards in the 60s and 70s started
this calling them alL a "battery" when they are (were) NOT such.

Origins aside (and I have some sympathy for the precriptivist
argument), it's considered acceptable these days* to call a cell a
battery.. but it's never acceptable to call a multi-cell battery a
"cell".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/battery?s=t

He or she said it was _not_ a cell. That is saying that it consists of
more than one cell. So, certainly not a lithium CR2032 'battery',
which is a single button cell.

* the rot seems to have set in earlier than the 60s and 70s-- my 1949
edition of the "Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers" says,
somewhat snarkily, "In accordance with common usage the term is also
applied to a single cell". Common usage usually wins out in the long
run-- there are more commoners than nobility, after all.

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#### ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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, it's considered acceptable these days* to call a cell a
battery.

That is what I said. It started in the 60s and 70s so any of you dopes
who were born or attempted to grow up since then have been using the
errant but accepted stupidity.

I KNOW the history.

It is a fucking CELL.

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#### ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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* the rot seems to have set in earlier than the 60s and 70s-- my 1949
edition of the "Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers" says,
somewhat snarkily, "In accordance with common usage the term is also
applied to a single cell". Common usage usually wins out in the long
run-- there are more commoners than nobility, after all.

Yes. Handheld, tube operated, and therefore HV (as it were) requiring
military radio sets were fun little items. The tubes were like my baby
finger in size. Needed a 67.5 Volt battery. That WAS more than one
Cell.

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#### ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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but it's never acceptable to call a multi-cell battery a
"cell".

ONLY if you use an array of those, all alike, to produce another
"battery". In such a case, each 'battery' could be called a cell of the
whole, finished device.

Like a box full of 9 Volt cells wired in an array. Then one could
rightly say "Each of those is a cell in my new battery."

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#### Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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Ha-ha.

The stupid thing is... I had dead motherboards with exactly these batteries
!

Could have saved those 10 bucks ! LOL =D

10 bucks is way too much to pay. If you need one in hurry buy it at the supermarket.
P.S. 1: Serves me right for listening to 15 year old kids ! LOL.

P.S. 2: I removed the batteries from the dead motherboards, maybe they ll
come in use some day ! =D

theyre good for testing LEDs

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Jan 1, 1970
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A recent buy from China got me a card of 5 Sony, made in Japan, for $0.99, delivered! Good "use by date" as well. Made in Japan shipped from China? I have a bridge you may be interested in. J #### Jasen Betts Jan 1, 1970 0 Clearly stamped "Japan" on the battery. Marked "Matsushita Electric Industrial Co, Ltd Osaka 570 , Japan" on the card. EXP DATE 12-2017 Sony on the wrapper and Panasonic on the case ? Sounds like a forgery. J #### Jasen Betts Jan 1, 1970 0 J #### Jasen Betts Jan 1, 1970 0 Well, unless you misspoke, if the batteries are marked "Sony" on the card, and stamped "Matsushita" individually, they are as fake as they come. As of a few years ago, Matsushita is now called Panasonic worldwide, a completely different company from ('to') Sony. The Matsushita name has been retired. Perhaps some Chinaman got the old tooling cheap on E-bay? J #### Jasen Betts Jan 1, 1970 0 ONLY if you use an array of those, all alike, to produce another "battery". In such a case, each 'battery' could be called a cell of the whole, finished device. Like a box full of 9 Volt cells wired in an array. Then one could rightly say "Each of those is a cell in my new battery." you could, but you'd be wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrochemical_cell C #### ChairmanOfTheBored Jan 1, 1970 0 What a coincidence! So is dimbulb. Whereas instead of simply being called one, you actually are one. Make sure to put those shitty fingers into that hole-y mouth, so you can fester faster, fucker! Bwuahahahaahahahahahaahahaha! G #### GMAN Jan 1, 1970 0 They are not cells, they are batteries. I'm a retired EE from NBS (now NIST). They pass the tests that I care to apply. Voltage under load, physical inspection. I'll post back in >5 years to test my naiveté. Chris These batteries are also known, even in the larger sizes like the CR2032's as button cells. C #### ChairmanOfTheBored Jan 1, 1970 0 These batteries Unbelieveable! You forgot the quotes! are also known, even in the larger sizes like the CR2032's as button cells. Absolutely so! S #### Spehro Pefhany Jan 1, 1970 0 What makes you think Panasonic didn't destroy their old tooling? WTF would it end up on ebay? Nobody dumped any tooling anyway*. They're still making the batteries. Changing markings on a production line costs almost nothing and can be done in minutes. BTW, the ones I've gotten in production quantity through the legitimate distribution chain were made in Panasonic's factory in Indonesia, not in Japan. Here's why:- Min wage per month (US$)
Indonesia $85 China (Shenzhen/GZ)$208/202
Japan $937 US$1257
Canada $1392 Despite Indonesia being a rather corrupt country with political instability and creaky infrastructure, it's really, really cheap to produce a simple product like a battery or button cell that has only a few component parts (metal and chemicals and packaging). * I toured a mothballed alkaline battery factory not that long ago- in the Toronto area (mostly AA cells). Lots of machinery on the lines (packaging and assembly). It's not much more sophisticated than packaging toothpaste- cram the chemicals into the housing, seal it up, test and package it. At ~$10 for 48 no-name batteries these days, I
don't think they had the scale to compete- it was only about 8000 or
10,000 ft^2 IIRC.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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#### David

Jan 1, 1970
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Clearly stamped "Japan" on the battery. Marked "Matsushita Electric
Industrial Co, Ltd Osaka 570 , Japan" on the card. EXP DATE 12-2017

Chris

Matsushita = Panasonic, not Sony. Sounds like a fake.

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#### ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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A 9 volt BATTERY consists of six 1.5V CELLS.

I KNOW THAT, you fucking retard!

NOW, IDIOT! Go back and read the post again.

IF I used an ARRAY of 9 volts batteries where each of them then become
a singular "cell" of my new battery array, they would be.

You clueless ****. Go look up the word moniker, dipshit.

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#### David

Jan 1, 1970
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I KNOW THAT, you fucking retard!

NOW, IDIOT! Go back and read the post again.

IF I used an ARRAY of 9 volts batteries where each of them then become
a singular "cell" of my new battery array, they would be.

You clueless ****. Go look up the word moniker, dipshit.

">> Like a box full of 9 Volt CELLS wired in an array. "

Have a nice day.

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