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Pon

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

Currently i am working in Hiogh speed board design. Though i can get
so many materials for power supply decoupling, i could not get the
correct solution for this. In every material, its explained differntly.


What is the concept od decoupling ?How to calculate the decoupling
capacitor reqiirements?
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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Pon said:
Hi,

Currently i am working in Hiogh speed board design. Though i can get
so many materials for power supply decoupling, i could not get the
correct solution for this. In every material, its explained differntly.


What is the concept od decoupling ?How to calculate the decoupling
capacitor reqiirements?

You don't really calculate anything, you just follow best practice
design rules.
For each device in your design read the datasheet and app notes to see
what they recommend. Many big (FPGAs for instance) and high speed
devices have very specific requirements, they will tell you all about
in the datasheets and app notes. Disobey manufacturers recommendations
at your own peril.
If nothing is mentioned then it's probably not that critical, in which
case you'd genrally use a single 10nF cap for each device if you have
the room and cost budget available, just to be safe. Although you can
probaly get away with big power planes and the distributed capacitance
in a lot of cases, with just a few caps sprinkled over the place in the
more critical areas.

I'm sure other will elaborate further on the general concept of
decoupling, and there is plenty of info out there on it, Google is your
friend. Suffice it to say that decoupling is a bit of a "black art" and
there are no hard and fast rules that work every time, every design
will have different requirements. Follow general guidelines and you
will usually be fine.

Dave :)
 
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PeteS

Jan 1, 1970
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David said:
You don't really calculate anything, you just follow best practice
design rules.
For each device in your design read the datasheet and app notes to see
what they recommend. Many big (FPGAs for instance) and high speed
devices have very specific requirements, they will tell you all about
in the datasheets and app notes. Disobey manufacturers recommendations
at your own peril.
If nothing is mentioned then it's probably not that critical, in which
case you'd genrally use a single 10nF cap for each device if you have
the room and cost budget available, just to be safe. Although you can
probaly get away with big power planes and the distributed capacitance
in a lot of cases, with just a few caps sprinkled over the place in the
more critical areas.

I'm sure other will elaborate further on the general concept of
decoupling, and there is plenty of info out there on it, Google is your
friend. Suffice it to say that decoupling is a bit of a "black art" and
there are no hard and fast rules that work every time, every design
will have different requirements. Follow general guidelines and you
will usually be fine.

Dave :)

Well, you can calculate it (at least to a decent first approximation),
but you have to keep ESR, ESL and Z(f) all in mind.

In some very high speed systems, there are specific known frequencies
that will occur. The OP doesn't give enough details to help on that,
though.

The last *really* highspeed system I designed was set for DDR
Infiniband (the switch board had 384 5Gb/s diff pairs ;) and the
decoupling was primarily for the logic clock in the switches (at least
around those devices) and appropriate harmonics. [The backplane had
2304 IB pairs apart from any other signals]. I decoupled the IB signal
noise by series ferrites along with caps, and the IO buffers had their
own power - the outputs were CML which made life a little bit easier.

For a first approximation for decoupling (at least to see what Z has to
be) I get the effective local impedance of the power system (simply
Vchip / Ichip) and divide by 10 - that's the max impedance I want to
see in the decoupling system to ground for capacitive decoupling. For a
high current, low voltage device (pretty typical in a highspeed
environment), that can make decoupling quite an interesting exercise.

For a 1.2V, 12A device (which is pretty close to what I was using) that
yields 10 milli ohm effective impedance max for that device (at the
various frequencies of interest) requirement for decent decoupling.
It's not incredibly scientific, but it gives me an idea of what I am
looking at. On really highspeed stuff, I also make a distributed
decoupler by having the local power and ground for a device on adjacent
planes, and in a high layer count board, that can yield some pretty
effective decoupling.

Given that decoupling at high frequencies is a very localised affair,
this trick works and I am aware it's hardly thoroughly scientific.

Much depends on just what the OP considers 'high speed', of course.

Cheers

PeteS
 
Pon said:
Hi,

Currently i am working in Hiogh speed board design. Though i can get
so many materials for power supply decoupling, i could not get the
correct solution for this. In every material, its explained differntly.


What is the concept od decoupling ?How to calculate the decoupling
capacitor reqiirements?

Current flows in loops, the higher the frequency the more important it
is to keep the loop small. The decoupling capacitors value isnt very
important, it's location is, by keeping the capacitor close to the chip
you keep the current loop for that chip small.
 
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PeteS

Jan 1, 1970
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Ancient_Hacker said:
Decoupling is more an art than a science.

I most definitely agree, but we can stack the deck in our favour a
little :)
Basically you want to have the lowest possible impedance across the
power supply pins of the power-drawing component.

But you can't just plunk a 100uF capacitor across pins 7 and 16 or
whichever! The bigger the capacitor, the lower its self-resonant
frequency. A 100uF capacitor with 1/2 inch leads is going to resonate
somewhere around 200KHz to 1MHz, making it act very non-capacitor-like
around that frequency. So you have to go with the smallest capacitor
that will still be capacitor like at the highest frequency of interest,
AND still be large enough to have a low impedance at low frequencies.
If those are irreconcileable, you can always use a BIG capacitor to
handle the low end, and one or more smaller capacitors to handle the
high end.

Just to confuse things, there's one school of thought that says you
SHOULDNT use really good capacitors, as they're just going to resonate
at SOME frequency. Perhaps better is to have a capacitor feeding a
resistor, said resistor will damp the Q of the resonances and absorb
the glitch power.

There are so many issues, some of which only raise their heads at high
speed. A typical 100uF cap (even a ceramic, and there are such things)
will not have particularly good high frequency performance, but for
bulk storage (for the benefit of the OP, that's a large amount of
charge that may be provided to the decoupled circuit to account for
large changes in current the supply can not necessarily handle) they're
great.

Once you get above the skin effect knee (typically 75MHz or so for a 8
thou track on 0.5 oz cu) the physical case size and type becomes
important too. 0306 decoupling devices (as opposed to 0603) have lower
ESL and may be preferred where an 0402 may not be available for a given
capacitance. The higher the frequency, the more important physical
dimensions become, as does distance from the device to the chip it's
decoupling.

So there's a huge amount of art (as always in engineering, it's a
matter of 'it depends') in choosing decouplers.

Cheers

PeteS
 
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Ross Herbert

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

Currently i am working in Hiogh speed board design. Though i can get
so many materials for power supply decoupling, i could not get the
correct solution for this. In every material, its explained differntly.


What is the concept od decoupling ?How to calculate the decoupling
capacitor reqiirements?


For most applications following the guidelines on this Lattice Semi
note will be adequate

http://www.latticesemi.com/lit/docs/technotes/tn1068.pdf?jsessionid=ba30961eb44a$CF$98$5

However, for stringent applications such as RAMBus memory where signal
voltage swings of 200mV at data rates above 3.2GHz are involved, the
decoupling requirements may be more specialised and modelling may be
necessary.... not something many have the means to perform though.
 
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Pon

Jan 1, 1970
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Fine,

the think what iam following is one 0.01uf for each power supply pin
of the Ic and one Tantulam 10uf for four 0.01uf capacitors. Is it OK ?
 
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