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JosephKK

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, the speakers I mentioned can also take power over CAT5 but it's
about an amp max per speaker. That gets old when you must install a dozen.



We also use the speakers for overflow area sound at our church. It's
best to have the least amount of digital stuff in the way, too much
delay, we do it all analog.

There are plenty of ways to do it digitally that do not involve the
uncertainty if IP protocols. SMPTE has very good latency controlled
digital systems. Total interoperability for compliant units.
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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JosephKK said:
There are plenty of ways to do it digitally that do not involve the
uncertainty if IP protocols. SMPTE has very good latency controlled
digital systems. Total interoperability for compliant units.


Sure, but a church's budget is limited and we prefer to use more of the
offerings to help with the food bank and stuff rather than buying
expensive new gear. I think the old Yamaha power mixer has the potential
to hang on for another five years. And it works :)
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
Nico Coesel wrote:
Joerg <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
We also use the speakers for overflow area sound at our church. It's
best to have the least amount of digital stuff in the way, too much
delay, we do it all analog.
It must be a small church then. Usually some digital delays are used
to feed speakers further away so the sound from the front speakers is
in phase with the half-way speakers.

Compared to European cathedrals it is small, holds about 300 people max
plus maybe another 50 or so in the overflow area (narthex). But in
contrast to European ones it fills up twice every Sunday and that's what
really counts :)

THe church my wife went to in VT had five services, three of them in a
500 seat theater down the street (with open concessions stand). ...


So you could have a cold one during the sermon?

:)

Usually hot ones, from what I hear. Popcorn too.
Yeah, Northern Europe and some other areas are rather depressing
compared to the US in that respect. However, let's not kid ourselves,
attendance percentage at Christian churches in the US may be 10 times
better than in Europe but it is slowly sagging.

It certainly is in the "mainstream" churches. There are a lot of
congregational churches that are doing very well. Like newspapers,
they have made their (death) bed.
You guys should have Baptist chruches where you live now. The choirs in
many of those are phenomenal, makes you wonder whether the rafters will
hold.

Sure, several varieties. ...and lotsa Presbyterian. Can't count 'em
all. ;-) My wife goes to a large Babtist church here. Large enough
to own half of the downtown area. There is a smaller Babtist church
in back of our house (next road over). They're apparently doing quite
well too; just built a new sanctuary. Now is the time to build, and
they are.
 
L

Les Cargill

Jan 1, 1970
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There are plenty of ways to do it digitally that do not involve the
uncertainty if IP protocols. SMPTE has very good latency controlled
digital systems. Total interoperability for compliant units.

True, but I don't see him needing timecode here? He's not synching
two tape decks... right?
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
Usually hot ones, from what I hear. Popcorn too.

It certainly is in the "mainstream" churches. There are a lot of
congregational churches that are doing very well. Like newspapers,
they have made their (death) bed.

Ours is congregational (Lutheran) and slightly growing.

Sure, several varieties. ...and lotsa Presbyterian. Can't count 'em
all. ;-) My wife goes to a large Babtist church here. Large enough
to own half of the downtown area. There is a smaller Babtist church
in back of our house (next road over). They're apparently doing quite
well too; just built a new sanctuary. Now is the time to build, and
they are.


Same here, we want to build a large two-story educational building plus
a ballfield for the community around us. Problem is, while contractors
are hungry fundraising is very difficult in this economy.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw wrote:
Nico Coesel wrote:
[...]

We also use the speakers for overflow area sound at our church. It's
best to have the least amount of digital stuff in the way, too much
delay, we do it all analog.
It must be a small church then. Usually some digital delays are used
to feed speakers further away so the sound from the front speakers is
in phase with the half-way speakers.

Compared to European cathedrals it is small, holds about 300 people max
plus maybe another 50 or so in the overflow area (narthex). But in
contrast to European ones it fills up twice every Sunday and that's what
really counts :)
THe church my wife went to in VT had five services, three of them in a
500 seat theater down the street (with open concessions stand). ...

So you could have a cold one during the sermon?

:)

Usually hot ones, from what I hear. Popcorn too.
... They pretty much filled them all. Amazing.

Yeah, Northern Europe and some other areas are rather depressing
compared to the US in that respect. However, let's not kid ourselves,
attendance percentage at Christian churches in the US may be 10 times
better than in Europe but it is slowly sagging.

It certainly is in the "mainstream" churches. There are a lot of
congregational churches that are doing very well. Like newspapers,
they have made their (death) bed.

Ours is congregational (Lutheran) and slightly growing.

Sure, several varieties. ...and lotsa Presbyterian. Can't count 'em
all. ;-) My wife goes to a large Babtist church here. Large enough
to own half of the downtown area. There is a smaller Babtist church
in back of our house (next road over). They're apparently doing quite
well too; just built a new sanctuary. Now is the time to build, and
they are.


Same here, we want to build a large two-story educational building plus
a ballfield for the community around us. Problem is, while contractors
are hungry fundraising is very difficult in this economy.

A lot of these churches have a lot of cash and likely more
importantly, cash flow. OTOH, the church my wife went to in VT just
had to decide to do something (i.e. build a gym) and the money
appeared. When we left they had just decided to sell their current
property (the town wouldn't let them build a new sanctuary on the
other side of the road) and move to a more friendly town. ;-) They
didn't seem to be worried about the megabux it was going to cost.
 
R

Ross Herbert

Jan 1, 1970
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:38:30 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

:
:Ross Herbert wrote:
:>
:> You post under the name of Andrew Edge yet you sign as Martin. Surely, if you
:> really worked at MSW Systems http://mswsystems.com/home.htm you would have
your
:> own email address there. Incidentally, there is nothing on the MSW website
that
:> lists one of their services as "Public Address System Design". The stated
main
:> areas of services are "Systems & Networking, Web Design and Business
:> Apllications" which says that they are merely engaged in IT design and
support.
:> This is a far cry from the engineering requirement required for a valid
company
:> experienced in PA system design. Of course, they could simply have failed to
:> enter this function in their services lsting....
:>
:> I will be querying management at MSW as to your bonafides...
:>
:> It is plainly obvious to anyone who is experienced in electronics that you
are
:> not an electronics or PA engineer or anything like it. You say "you don't
have
:> as much time (as those of us who may be competent in the field) to give
:> explanations", and that "there is more fun in life than debating on these
:> issues".
:>
:> These two statements give you away as a fraudster and would NEVER be used by
:> someone engaged in the PA design field. In fact, they are statements more
likely
:> to come from an uneducated juvenile out to cause trouble. Anyone who was
:> seriously involved with the design of PA systems, as you claim to be, would
have
:> at the very least, a knowledge of electronics building blocks and how to
select
:> the appropriate items for the project at hand. You plainly don't possess this
:> knowledge otherwise you would be pleased to describe in complex detail the
:> environment you have to work with and the specific problems which this
:> environment might present in coming to the best solution. That is the real
:> reason why you can't be bothered to provide explanations.
:>
:> There are myriad problems in designing a PA system and there is no person on
:> this earth who can supply you with the answers without ALL of the
specification
:> and details. It is a specialised field which does not really fit in with "IT
:> Consulting".
:
:
:
:
: His IP address resolves to Italy:
:
:
:IP Information - 82.84.149.167
:IP address: 82.84.149.167
:Reverse DNS: ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it.
:Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname
:ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it. does not exist]
:ASN: 8612
:ASN Name: TISCALI-IT (Tiscali Italia SpA.)
:IP range connectivity: 1
:Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
:Country (per IP registrar): IT [Italy]
:Country Currency: EUR [euros]
:Country IP Range: 82.84.0.0 to 82.85.255.255
:Country fraud profile: Normal
:City (per outside source): Cagliari, Sardegna
:Country (per outside source): IT [Italy]
:private (internal) IP? No
:IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
:Known Proxy? No
:Link for WHOIS: 82.84.149.167
:
:
: While mswsystems.com is in Tampa, Florida.
:
:
:Registrant:
: Mark Wykoff
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
:
: Domain name: MSWSYSTEMS.COM
:
:
: Administrative Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316
: Technical Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316


Thanks for the sender email address analysis Michael. This makes it even more
evident that the OP is a fraudster in my book.

The use of the Tampa based domain name along with the Google street view of the
Maverick Court location strengthens my opinion that something fishy is going on.
 
J

JumboBang

Jan 1, 1970
0
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:38:30 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

:
:Ross Herbert wrote:
:>
:> You post under the name of Andrew Edge yet you sign as Martin. Surely, if you
:> really worked at MSW Systems http://mswsystems.com/home.htm you would have
your
:> own email address there. Incidentally, there is nothing on the MSW website
that
:> lists one of their services as "Public Address System Design". The stated
main
:> areas of services are "Systems & Networking, Web Design and Business
:> Apllications" which says that they are merely engaged in IT design and
support.
:> This is a far cry from the engineering requirement required for a valid
company
:> experienced in PA system design. Of course, they could simply have failed to
:> enter this function in their services lsting....
:>
:> I will be querying management at MSW as to your bonafides...
:>
:> It is plainly obvious to anyone who is experienced in electronics that you
are
:> not an electronics or PA engineer or anything like it. You say "you don't
have
:> as much time (as those of us who may be competent in the field) to give
:> explanations", and that "there is more fun in life than debating on these
:> issues".
:>
:> These two statements give you away as a fraudster and would NEVER be used by
:> someone engaged in the PA design field. In fact, they are statements more
likely
:> to come from an uneducated juvenile out to cause trouble. Anyone who was
:> seriously involved with the design of PA systems, as you claim to be, would
have
:> at the very least, a knowledge of electronics building blocks and how to
select
:> the appropriate items for the project at hand. You plainly don't possess this
:> knowledge otherwise you would be pleased to describe in complex detail the
:> environment you have to work with and the specific problems which this
:> environment might present in coming to the best solution. That is the real
:> reason why you can't be bothered to provide explanations.
:>
:> There are myriad problems in designing a PA system and there is no person on
:> this earth who can supply you with the answers without ALL of the
specification
:> and details. It is a specialised field which does not really fit in with "IT
:> Consulting".
:
:
:
:
: His IP address resolves to Italy:
:
:
:IP Information - 82.84.149.167
:IP address: 82.84.149.167
:Reverse DNS: ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it.
:Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname
:ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it. does not exist]
:ASN: 8612
:ASN Name: TISCALI-IT (Tiscali Italia SpA.)
:IP range connectivity: 1
:Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
:Country (per IP registrar): IT [Italy]
:Country Currency: EUR [euros]
:Country IP Range: 82.84.0.0 to 82.85.255.255
:Country fraud profile: Normal
:City (per outside source): Cagliari, Sardegna
:Country (per outside source): IT [Italy]
:private (internal) IP? No
:IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
:Known Proxy? No
:Link for WHOIS: 82.84.149.167
:
:
: While mswsystems.com is in Tampa, Florida.
:
:
:Registrant:
: Mark Wykoff
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
:
: Domain name: MSWSYSTEMS.COM
:
:
: Administrative Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316
: Technical Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316


Thanks for the sender email address analysis Michael. This makes it even more
evident that the OP is a fraudster in my book.

The use of the Tampa based domain name along with the Google street view of the
Maverick Court location strengthens my opinion that something fishy is going on.


There is a whole lot of crap in your email ... you sound like a 10
year old which is probably what you are . Anyone can fake his
location with a proxy if you know what that is.

BTW your location is

58.161.194.253 IP address location & more:
IP address [?]: 58.161.194.253 [Whois] [Reverse IP]
IP country code: AU
IP address country: Australia
IP address state: Western Australia
IP address city: Perth
IP address latitude: -31.9333
IP address longitude: 115.8333
ISP of this IP [?]: Telstra Internet
Organization: Telstra Internet
Host of this IP: [?]: CPE-58-161-194-253.nsw.bigpond.net.au [Whois]

If you are angry with yourself just bang yr head against the wall and
you'll do everybody a favor.

JumboBang
 
J

JumboBang

Jan 1, 1970
0
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:38:30 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

:
:Ross Herbert wrote:
:>
:> You post under the name of Andrew Edge yet you sign as Martin. Surely, if you
:> really worked at MSW Systems http://mswsystems.com/home.htm you would have
your
:> own email address there. Incidentally, there is nothing on the MSW website
that
:> lists one of their services as "Public Address System Design". The stated
main
:> areas of services are "Systems & Networking, Web Design and Business
:> Apllications" which says that they are merely engaged in IT design and
support.
:> This is a far cry from the engineering requirement required for a valid
company
:> experienced in PA system design. Of course, they could simply have failed to
:> enter this function in their services lsting....
:>
:> I will be querying management at MSW as to your bonafides...
:>
:> It is plainly obvious to anyone who is experienced in electronics that you
are
:> not an electronics or PA engineer or anything like it. You say "you don't
have
:> as much time (as those of us who may be competent in the field) to give
:> explanations", and that "there is more fun in life than debating on these
:> issues".
:>
:> These two statements give you away as a fraudster and would NEVER be used by
:> someone engaged in the PA design field. In fact, they are statements more
likely
:> to come from an uneducated juvenile out to cause trouble. Anyone who was
:> seriously involved with the design of PA systems, as you claim to be, would
have
:> at the very least, a knowledge of electronics building blocks and how to
select
:> the appropriate items for the project at hand. You plainly don't possess this
:> knowledge otherwise you would be pleased to describe in complex detail the
:> environment you have to work with and the specific problems which this
:> environment might present in coming to the best solution. That is the real
:> reason why you can't be bothered to provide explanations.
:>
:> There are myriad problems in designing a PA system and there is no person on
:> this earth who can supply you with the answers without ALL of the
specification
:> and details. It is a specialised field which does not really fit in with "IT
:> Consulting".
:
:
:
:
: His IP address resolves to Italy:
:
:
:IP Information - 82.84.149.167
:IP address: 82.84.149.167
:Reverse DNS: ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it.
:Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname
:ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it. does not exist]
:ASN: 8612
:ASN Name: TISCALI-IT (Tiscali Italia SpA.)
:IP range connectivity: 1
:Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
:Country (per IP registrar): IT [Italy]
:Country Currency: EUR [euros]
:Country IP Range: 82.84.0.0 to 82.85.255.255
:Country fraud profile: Normal
:City (per outside source): Cagliari, Sardegna
:Country (per outside source): IT [Italy]
:private (internal) IP? No
:IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
:Known Proxy? No
:Link for WHOIS: 82.84.149.167
:
:
: While mswsystems.com is in Tampa, Florida.
:
:
:Registrant:
: Mark Wykoff
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
:
: Domain name: MSWSYSTEMS.COM
:
:
: Administrative Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316
: Technical Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316


Thanks for the sender email address analysis Michael. This makes it even more
evident that the OP is a fraudster in my book.

The use of the Tampa based domain name along with the Google street view of the
Maverick Court location strengthens my opinion that something fishy is going on.

There is a whole lot of crap in your email ... you sound like a 10
year old which is probably what you are . Anyone can fake his
location with a proxy if you know what that is.

BTW your location is

58.161.194.253 IP address location & more:
IP address [?]: 58.161.194.253 [Whois] [Reverse IP]
IP country code: AU
IP address country: Australia
IP address state: Western Australia
IP address city: Perth
IP address latitude: -31.9333
IP address longitude: 115.8333
ISP of this IP [?]: Telstra Internet
Organization: Telstra Internet
Host of this IP: [?]: CPE-58-161-194-253.nsw.bigpond.net.au [Whois]

If you are angry with yourself just bang yr head against the wall and
you'll do everybody a favor.

JumboBang
 
J

Jumbo

Jan 1, 1970
0
:> These two statements give you away as a fraudster and would NEVER be used by
:> someone engaged in the PA design field. In fact, they are statements more
likely
:> to come from an uneducated juvenile out to cause trouble. Anyone who was
:> seriously involved with the design of PA systems, as you claim to be, would
have
:> at the very least, a knowledge of electronics building blocks and how to
select
:> the appropriate items for the project at hand. You plainly don't possess this
:> knowledge otherwise you would be pleased to describe in complex detail the
:> environment you have to work with and the specific problems which this
:> environment might present in coming to the best solution. That is the real
:> reason why you can't be bothered to provide explanations.
:>
:> There are myriad problems in designing a PA system and there is no person on
:> this earth who can supply you with the answers without ALL of the
specification
:> and details. It is a specialised field which does not really fit in with "IT
:> Consulting".
:
:
:
:
: His IP address resolves to Italy:
:
:
:IP Information - 82.84.149.167
:IP address: 82.84.149.167
:Reverse DNS: ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it.
:Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname
:ppp-82-84-149-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it. does not exist]
:ASN: 8612
:ASN Name: TISCALI-IT (Tiscali Italia SpA.)
:IP range connectivity: 1
:Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
:Country (per IP registrar): IT [Italy]
:Country Currency: EUR [euros]
:Country IP Range: 82.84.0.0 to 82.85.255.255
:Country fraud profile: Normal
:City (per outside source): Cagliari, Sardegna
:Country (per outside source): IT [Italy]
:private (internal) IP? No
:IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
:Known Proxy? No
:Link for WHOIS: 82.84.149.167
:
:
: While mswsystems.com is in Tampa, Florida.
:
:
:Registrant:
: Mark Wykoff
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
:
: Domain name: MSWSYSTEMS.COM
:
:
: Administrative Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316
: Technical Contact:
: Wykoff, Mark ****@mswsystems.com
: 12506 Maverick Court
: Tampa, FL 33626
: US
: 7278045316


Thanks for the sender email address analysis Michael. This makes it even more
evident that the OP is a fraudster in my book.

The use of the Tampa based domain name along with the Google street view of the
Maverick Court location strengthens my opinion that something fishy is going on.
There is a whole lot of crap in your email ... you sound like a 10
year old which is probably what you are . Anyone can fake his
location with a proxy if you know what that is.

BTW your location is

58.161.194.253 IP address location & more:
IP address [?]: 58.161.194.253 [Whois] [Reverse IP]
IP country code: AU
IP address country: Australia
IP address state: Western Australia
IP address city: Perth
IP address latitude: -31.9333
IP address longitude: 115.8333
ISP of this IP [?]: Telstra Internet
Organization: Telstra Internet
Host of this IP: [?]: CPE-58-161-194-253.nsw.bigpond.net.au [Whois]

If you are angry with yourself just bang yr head against the wall and
you'll do everybody a favor.

JumboBang
 
R

Ross Herbert

Jan 1, 1970
0
:There is a whole lot of crap in your email ... you sound like a 10
:year old which is probably what you are . Anyone can fake his
:location with a proxy if you know what that is.
:
:BTW your location is
:
:58.161.194.253 IP address location & more:
:IP address [?]: 58.161.194.253 [Whois] [Reverse IP]
:IP country code: AU
:IP address country: Australia
:IP address state: Western Australia
:IP address city: Perth
:IP address latitude: -31.9333
:IP address longitude: 115.8333
:ISP of this IP [?]: Telstra Internet
:Organization: Telstra Internet
:Host of this IP: [?]: CPE-58-161-194-253.nsw.bigpond.net.au [Whois]
:
:If you are angry with yourself just bang yr head against the wall and
:you'll do everybody a favor.
:
:JumboBang
:
:

You're so smart you have to repeat yourself 3 times to get your message
across.... and I am older than 10.

I don't engage in fraudulent internet use such as the OP of this thread has
done. I know anyone with the twisted aim of fooling others and hiding their
identity can fake proxys but I haven't investigated how it is done because I
don't need to know. The core of this issue is why does any smartarse feel the
need to show their internet savvy and play childish games with such a useful
tool as the internet. It is there for normal people who want to use it for its
intended purpose, not juvenile gameplayers who love to jerk off and show how
smart they are - while showing nothing more than how brainless they really are.
 
J

JosephKK

Jan 1, 1970
0
True, but I don't see him needing timecode here? He's not synching
two tape decks... right?

There is no requirement to buy fancy, what those standards get you is
guaranteed interoperability.
 
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