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Noddy

Jan 1, 1970
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You're a poof.

Heh :)

I don't think he can go for more than a few moments without bringing
chocolate wizz-wangs into the conversation.

Clearly there's a problem there :)
 
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Feral

Jan 1, 1970
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Heh :)

I don't think he can go for more than a few moments without bringing
chocolate wizz-wangs into the conversation.

Clearly there's a problem there :)

Tell us again who is it that has a favorite saying that includes "until
he spat/spits on your back"?


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Take Care. ~~
Feral Al ( @..@)
(\-- Ü--/)
((.>__oo__<.))
^^^ % ^^^
 
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Noddy

Jan 1, 1970
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Tell us again who is it that has a favorite saying that includes "until
he spat/spits on your back"?

I've used that saying before, but claiming it to be a favourite is
complete bullshit.

My favourite would be "Feral is a Moron", because not only is it funny
but it's also true :)
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few hops.

actually ICMP

I use tcptraceroute when I want to know what's going on with traffic
pointed at a particular service, it uses TCP packets.
The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

that won't tell you if it's alive if it's unreachable, due to some
sort of routing error or firewall. tcptraceroute will tell you where
your packets are reaching, this information is potentially useful to
the people who need to fix the mess.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Jasen said:
actually ICMP

I use tcptraceroute when I want to know what's going on with traffic
pointed at a particular service, it uses TCP packets.


that won't tell you if it's alive if it's unreachable, due to some
sort of routing error or firewall. tcptraceroute will tell you where
your packets are reaching, this information is potentially useful to
the people who need to fix the mess.
I pinged it and it tried 4 times then said timed out, I then telnetted
it and it said could not open connection to the host on port 119

Does this mean the bigpond news server server exists but not working,
just need ammo when the case worker finally gets back to me.
 
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Trevor

Jan 1, 1970
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Noddy said:
Everything.

So nothing in particular then.

What would be a legitimate example of competition actually making
something worse?

Gas, electricity, water, public transport, telephone.... do I really need to
go on?

Trevor.
 
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Trevor

Jan 1, 1970
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D Walford said:
I suppose it depends on what sort of service is most important, IMO
Telstra's mobile phone service shits on all the others because it has far
better coverage, the fact they are a pita to deal with is a secondary
issue.
None of the telcos provide good service but at least my Telstra phone
works in locations outside a major city long after all the others have
given up.

And the AMPS service Telstra once provided before competition, but was
forced to close so as not to provide a service Optus wouldn't, had better
country coverage than anything since. (sattelite phones excepted)

Trevor.
 
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Trevor

Jan 1, 1970
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F Murtz said:
I have a second phone with a vodaphone sim which cost $2 and $20 recharge
for 12 months the whole lot discounted 10% (although you have to put up
with vodaphone coverage)


Right, exactly as I said, you pay a HIGH price for Telstra coverage, even if
you don't use it much. I would be happier to pay a high price only for the
calls I actually make.

Trevor.
 
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Trevor

Jan 1, 1970
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Dechucka said:
my phone cost $49 all up, it is prepaid my credit expires in 2115

Or a month after you actually start using it.

Trevor.
 
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atec77

Jan 1, 1970
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I pinged it and it tried 4 times then said timed out, I then telnetted
it and it said could not open connection to the host on port 119

Does this mean the bigpond news server server exists but not working,
just need ammo when the case worker finally gets back to me.
It probably means the mx records reflect what previously existed but
being down the server wont respond in spite of the mx claiming otherwise

basically fecked

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X-No-Archive: Yes
 
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Gary R. Schmidt

Jan 1, 1970
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On 4/05/2013 7:29 PM, atec77 wrote:
[SNIP]
It probably means the mx records reflect what previously existed but
being down the server wont respond in spite of the mx claiming otherwise

An MX record has nothing to do with a news server name being correct.
MX records are for *mail* handling.

It's just an A record, that's all.

Which doesn't change the basic point that telstra collectively have less
than no clue.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
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Noddy

Jan 1, 1970
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Gas, electricity, water, public transport, telephone.... do I really need to
go on?

Yeah, you'd need to give a specific example of how those things were
actually made worse.
 
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T.T.

Jan 1, 1970
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I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions

on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its

demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction

not to repost.

I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between

seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but

I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
 
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T.T.

Jan 1, 1970
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I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions

on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its

demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction

not to repost.

I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between

seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but

I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.

The last time this happened, I could not access newsgroups using Outlook Express via Bigpond. For years I could, then one day I couldn't I waited for a few weeks and then I tried Bigpond "Technical Support".It took hours and I was shunted back and forth between barely literate teenaged girls who didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about. They were ignorant andstupid and rude, they had never heard of Newsgroups but knew there was no such thing and the idea that I had ever accessed them using Bigpond was preposterous. They were unanimous in the sure and certain belief that it was all Microsoft's fault, whatever my complaint was. I was astounded that they had so little knowledge of anything to do with Bigpond. In a well-run society they would have
starved to death.
Some weeks later newsgroups re-appeared, and now they have vanished again. It is pathetic but brooding is fruitless.
 
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Jeßus

Jan 1, 1970
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The last time this happened, I could not access newsgroups using Outlook Express via Bigpond. For years I could, then one day I couldn't I waited for a few weeks and then I tried Bigpond "Technical Support".It took hours and I was shunted back and forth between barely literate teenaged girls who didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about. They were ignorant and stupid and rude, they had never heard of Newsgroups but knew there was no such thing and the idea that I had ever accessed them using Bigpond was preposterous. They were unanimous in the sure and certain belief that it was all Microsoft's fault, whatever my complaint was. I was astounded that they had so little knowledge of anything to do with Bigpond. In a well-run society they would have
starved to death.
Some weeks later newsgroups re-appeared, and now they have vanished again. It is pathetic but brooding is fruitless.

So nothing has changed since I had BP cable thirteen years ago.
 
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mark_ae86

Jan 1, 1970
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It says could not open connection to the host on port 119
Presumably this means it is not working but would it not also mean that
it exists but not working as I assumed when I pinged it

Yeah unfortunately it doesn't tell you much. It confirms that you cannot
connect to it on the most basic level which saves any mucking around
with different newsreaders ect, this is now pointless.

Have you tried, telnet news-server.bigpond.net.au 119 ????

It seems that since my last post news.bigpond.com is now invalid.
However news-server.bigpond.net.au still resolves. Previously they both
pointed to the same IP.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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mark_ae86 said:
Yeah unfortunately it doesn't tell you much. It confirms that you cannot
connect to it on the most basic level which saves any mucking around
with different newsreaders ect, this is now pointless.

Have you tried, telnet news-server.bigpond.net.au 119 ????

It seems that since my last post news.bigpond.com is now invalid.
However news-server.bigpond.net.au still resolves. Previously they both
pointed to the same IP.
Just tried that again, could not open, connect failed


I have a case number with telstra over this issue but in the beginning I
was not sure whose fault it was then also on one occasion telstra logged
into my computer and fiddled after which the usenet worked but that was
a while ago for the last three weeks or more It has not but now I am
convinced it is their server. Their tech team sent me an email a week or
two ago in great detail explaining how to connect, so at least those
techs think it is working. I am not the only one who got the email.
You would think that anyone with even a vestage of nouse would check
their own server when they get a rash of emails that people can not connect
I am still waiting for an answer from my case manager, at which time I
will tell them that it is their problem I no longer think my end has
anything to do with it, either fix it or tell their subscribers that
they no longer provide the service.
 
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David Barnett

Jan 1, 1970
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As you are successfully posting here with some news
server, why are you trying so hard with Big Pond?

Even if they resumed their service, I would not bother.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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David said:
As you are successfully posting here with some news
server, why are you trying so hard with Big Pond?

Even if they resumed their service, I would not bother.
Because eternal does not have binaries and telstra carries groups that
others dont.and I pay 80 or 90 dollars a month for a bundle for slowed
down broadband and a phone with all calls timed and use usenet more than
anything else. Usenet would be a deal breaker IF I had a choice which
provider to use which I don't.
 
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