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Quinn Valente

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,

I came across the following problem which I would like to solve with your
help. My brand new iRiver iFP899 provides a stereo line-in jack for
connection to any kind of source providing line-in level for direct
encoding. It can also be used as external mic input via settings in the menu
of the player.
I guess the jack input features so-called "plug-in power" which means that a
few volts of bias on the mic input is injected, which can power some small
consumer-type electret mics that don't have their own battery (although most
do have batteries anyway). I measured the input and it provides about 3.15V
(DC unloaded) for bias voltage. Funny enough, the bias voltage does not
dissappear when I switch to "line-in" mode from "external mic" mode.
Now I want to connect my hifi mixer to the device to record old vinyl
records, CDs, whole real-time mixes etc. As soon as I plug the device into
the mixer line-out output the VU meters overflow, i.e. they show full
amplitude. I guess that is due to the "wrong direction" current travelling
INTO but not OUT OF the mixer because of the bias voltage on the wire. What
tricks can I use to couple the device to my mixer so the iRiver line-input
DC bias does not reach the external source and does not affect it?

Many thanks in advance and best regards

Quinn
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Quinn said:
Hello,

I came across the following problem which I would like to solve with your
help. My brand new iRiver iFP899 provides a stereo line-in jack for
connection to any kind of source providing line-in level for direct
encoding. It can also be used as external mic input via settings in the menu
of the player.
I guess the jack input features so-called "plug-in power" which means that a
few volts of bias on the mic input is injected, which can power some small
consumer-type electret mics that don't have their own battery (although most
do have batteries anyway). I measured the input and it provides about 3.15V
(DC unloaded) for bias voltage. Funny enough, the bias voltage does not
dissappear when I switch to "line-in" mode from "external mic" mode.
Now I want to connect my hifi mixer to the device to record old vinyl
records, CDs, whole real-time mixes etc. As soon as I plug the device into
the mixer line-out output the VU meters overflow, i.e. they show full
amplitude. I guess that is due to the "wrong direction" current travelling
INTO but not OUT OF the mixer because of the bias voltage on the wire. What
tricks can I use to couple the device to my mixer so the iRiver line-input
DC bias does not reach the external source and does not affect it?

Many thanks in advance and best regards

Quinn
A capacitor will block the DC and allow the AC to flow.
 
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Quinn Valente

Jan 1, 1970
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Thank you. What size for the capacitor should I chose? Depends on the
frequencies that have to pass, right? They are in the audio frequency
spectrum, i.e. max. 20 kHz. When I try to claculate the right capacitor I
have to consider the time constant (T=RC). What can I assume for the R
value?
 
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Antonio

Jan 1, 1970
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Quinn said:
Thank you. What size for the capacitor should I chose? Depends on the
frequencies that have to pass, right? They are in the audio frequency
spectrum, i.e. max. 20 kHz. When I try to claculate the right capacitor I
have to consider the time constant (T=RC). What can I assume for the R
value?

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Since a series capacitor is basically a High Pass Filter, you should
consider the lowest frequency in the audio range to make your design.
20 Hz is a common value.

As for the resistance that you should use in your design, you should
use the nominal input impedance of your device.
Given that your only porpouse is decoupling the DC component, your
design criteria should be to make the corner frequency much lower (a
decade at least) than the lower audio frequncy, in order to avoid
atenuation and phase distortion in the frequencies of interest.

HTH
 
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Walter Harley

Jan 1, 1970
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Quinn Valente said:
Thank you. What size for the capacitor should I chose? Depends on the
frequencies that have to pass, right? They are in the audio frequency
spectrum, i.e. max. 20 kHz. When I try to claculate the right capacitor I
have to consider the time constant (T=RC). What can I assume for the R
value?

What Antonio said was correct. But to follow it to the conclusion: the
input impedance of the input is probably on the order of 1k. The corner
frequency of an RC highpass filter is f = 1/(2*pi*RC). Rearranging that,
you get C = 1/(2*pi*Rf) = about 10uF. So, use a 10uF or larger capacitor.

At that value, you'll need to use an electrolytic capacitor. They come in
different voltage ratings; anything bigger than the voltage you're trying to
block will be fine. Make sure you orient the polarity correctly: the + pin
on the capacitor needs to be facing the positive voltage, which probably
means it needs to be connected to the iRiver side.
 
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