Scientist burns saltwater!!!!!

[gearhead]

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

Gag.

 

[Eeyore]

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

Gag.

Just why the heck is it that AMERICANS are so gullible ? Presumably it has to be
a failure of education, possibly combined with an inclination (likely related to
the influence of religion) to believe in implausible fantastic miracles.

Graham

 

[EdV]

Just why the heck is it that AMERICANS are so gullible ? Presumably it has to be
a failure of education, possibly combined with an inclination (likely related to
the influence of religion) to believe in implausible fantastic miracles.

Graham

Yeah, it is mighty "gaggy." That being said, America is big place
with lots of people. If only 10% of the adults were(are?) complete
dolts that population would compare nicely to that of Belgium except
they probably they wouldn't enjoy Belgian food or beer or living in
Europe with the art galleries and extra days of vacation. In fact
they would not compare nicely to Belgium at all. But of course that
is not the job of dolts.

And now, of course I now nominate myself as one of them, with:

Is the salt dissolved in the water acting as a catalyst in cahoots
with RF?

Not that I expect a net energy gain here but any sort catalytic
reaction that uses materials more common than palladium is
interesting.

Ed V.

 

[Richard H.]

Is the salt dissolved in the water acting as a catalyst in cahoots
with RF?

Apparently. He's done demos by adding salt to tap water to enable the
RF reaction. Scan Google or YouTube for 'John Kanzius'.

The process requires more energy than the reaction produces, but it's
still interesting. Predictably, this point is overlooked in nearly
every report on the topic.

 

[John Larkin]

Yeah, it is mighty "gaggy." That being said, America is big place
with lots of people. If only 10% of the adults were(are?) complete
dolts that population would compare nicely to that of Belgium except
they probably they wouldn't enjoy Belgian food or beer or living in
Europe with the art galleries and extra days of vacation. In fact
they would not compare nicely to Belgium at all. But of course that
is not the job of dolts.

And now, of course I now nominate myself as one of them, with:

Is the salt dissolved in the water acting as a catalyst in cahoots
with RF?

Send me your address, and I'll ship you your official "American 10%"
certificate.

John

 

[John Fields]

Just why the heck is it that AMERICANS are so gullible ? Presumably it has to be
a failure of education, possibly combined with an inclination (likely related to
the influence of religion) to believe in implausible fantastic miracles.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Sure it is. Also spelled sometimes as "gullable".

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Fields]

Sure it is. Also spelled sometimes as "gullable".

 

[Jim Thompson]

Just one example...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gullible

...Jim Thompson

 

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Apparently. He's done demos by adding salt to tap water to enable the
RF reaction. Scan Google or YouTube for 'John Kanzius'.

The process requires more energy than the reaction produces, but it's
still interesting. Predictably, this point is overlooked in nearly
every report on the topic.

Also the difficulty of seeing a hydrogen flame is overlooked (no pun
intended)...

"Pure hydrogen-oxygen flames are nearly invisible to the naked eye, as
illustrated by the faintness of flame from the main Space Shuttle
engines (as opposed to the easily visible flames from the shuttle
boosters). Thus it is difficult to visually detect if a hydrogen leak
is burning."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen

Michael

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Also the difficulty of seeing a hydrogen flame is overlooked (no pun
intended)...

"Pure hydrogen-oxygen flames are nearly invisible to the naked eye, as
illustrated by the faintness of flame from the main Space Shuttle
engines (as opposed to the easily visible flames from the shuttle
boosters). Thus it is difficult to visually detect if a hydrogen leak
is burning."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen

Michael

I have a small Hyrogen-Oxygen torch for welding fairly refractory
metals such as platinum-- the flame is not very visible at all, just a
small cone of blue flame near the "torch" (a blunt hypodermic needle).
But if you heat something up with it the object quickly becomes
incandescent.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[[email protected]]

I have a small Hyrogen-Oxygen torch for welding fairly refractory
metals such as platinum-- the flame is not very visible at all, just a
small cone of blue flame near the "torch" (a blunt hypodermic needle).
But if you heat something up with it the object quickly becomes
incandescent.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Although, I vaguely remember from college chem lab classes that a bit
of wire dipped in potassium or sodium solutions, then placed in a
Bunsen burner, will burn with bright colors due to the sodium or
potassium.

Oh, joy, I've got my "Qualitative Analysis and the Properties of Ions
in Aqueous Solutions" book by Slowinski and Masterton in front of me.

From page 91:

Sodium ion: In a Bunsen flame sodium salts give off a very strong
yellow light. Even traces of Na+ are active in this regard...

Potassium salts: flame test: potassium salts (chloride or nitrate
salts) emit a violet light in the Bunsen flame.

I wonder if salt from the body of water in question got into the
burning zone?

M

 

[James Arthur]

Just one example...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gullible

...Jim Thompson

Jim, you've been TROLLED!

Grins,
James Arthur

 

[whit3rd]

Just why the heck is it that AMERICANS are so gullible ?

Actually, Rustum Roy is a serious scientist, and he confirmed the
result; the
reporter didn't do (IMHO) a good job of reporting.

The cracking of water to H2 and O2 can be accomplished by
electrolysis,
but only as a very lossy process, usually with sulphuric acid added.
Apparently, a simple saltwater solution, with RF excitation, does
better
(and RF power sources are VERY efficient compared to the usual
banked-rectifier electrolysis power plants). If they can separate the
H2 and O2 products, it's a technology win.

If they can't separate the products, it's just another way to make
Wood's gas
(useful in small quantities, hazardous if scaled up).

 

[Eeyore]

Actually, Rustum Roy is a serious scientist, and he confirmed the
result; the reporter didn't do (IMHO) a good job of reporting.

The cracking of water to H2 and O2 can be accomplished by
electrolysis, but only as a very lossy process, usually with sulphuric acid
added.
Apparently, a simple saltwater solution, with RF excitation, does
better (and RF power sources are VERY efficient compared to the usual
banked-rectifier electrolysis power plants). If they can separate the
H2 and O2 products, it's a technology win.

If they can't separate the products, it's just another way to make
Wood's gas (useful in small quantities, hazardous if scaled up).

How do we actually know it's any more efficient than conventional electrolysis ?

I'm very doubtful about the true usefulness of highly explosive gas mixtures
too.

Graham

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Yeah, it is mighty "gaggy." That being said, America is big place
with lots of people. If only 10% of the adults were(are?) complete
dolts that population would compare nicely to that of Belgium except
they probably they wouldn't enjoy Belgian food or beer or living in
Europe with the art galleries and extra days of vacation. In fact
they would not compare nicely to Belgium at all. But of course that
is not the job of dolts.

Sure, bub.

And now, of course I now nominate myself as one of them, with:

Is the salt dissolved in the water acting as a catalyst in cahoots
with RF?

Only if one is within the confines of the Bermuda Triangle.

Not that I expect a net energy gain here but any sort catalytic
reaction that uses materials more common than palladium is
interesting.

I just love the was Palladium spews X-ray flux when struck with an
electron beam!

 

[Herbert John \Jackie\ Gleason]

Just one example...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gullible

He was just testing your level of gullibility.

Bwuahahaha!

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

How do we actually know it's any more efficient than conventional electrolysis ?

I'm very doubtful about the true usefulness of highly explosive gas mixtures
too.

If it is a pure gas, it would not be referred to as a mixture.

 

[MooseFET]

electrolysis,
but only as a very lossy process, usually with sulphuric acid added.
Apparently, a simple saltwater solution, with RF excitation, does

The Cl goes away and you are left with some NaOH in the water. I'll
bet that that is what is doing most of the work.

 

[Jim Thompson]

He was just testing your level of gullibility.

Bwuahahaha!

Properly chastised :-(

...Jim Thompson