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Dave Moore

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.
 
B

Bob

Jan 1, 1970
0
I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

Thats widely believed to be due to mercury,
not lead, as mercury-based compounds were
used in the manufacture of felt hats in the
18th and 19th century.
From what little I'v read on the subject, lead
poisoning causes dimentia and sympotoms of general
illness such as abdominal pain whereas mercury
can cause more severe psychotic symptoms such
as hallucinations.

Bob
 
R

Rob

Jan 1, 1970
0
Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.
... So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
that one way or the other, right?
To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
(Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)
I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.
BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.
At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

Hadn't heard that one.
 
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

sensible thing would be get a blood lead test, as you may be barking
up the wrong tree otherwise. Or meowing.

Is there genuine evidence for the chelating effects of the things you
mention?

Re nutritional supplements, lead does some of its harm by competing in
the body with iron, calcium and zinc. Thus some of the effects can be
reduced by increasing levels of these minerals to the upper end of
what is healthy. In so doing one must also raise levels of the
minerals iron, calcium and zinc compete with, to prevent deficiencies.

Vitamin C is also a weak lead chelator. See wikipedia's lead poisoning
article.

But all this is only useful if you actually do have a lead problem.
You need to find out, vague guesses arent much good.


NT
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
0
Dave said:
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.

Alcohol !

Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Were you in the habit of licking your fingers while soldering ? Or chewing the
solder ?

If not forget lead.

Graham
 
A

Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
0
Dave Moore said:
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.
Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
important than it was.

It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
toxicity is cumulative.

There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

Arfa
 
J

Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
0
Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.

It is normal at age 110, do not worry.
On a more serious way, I too have been soldering for say
50 years, and yes, my postings... ;-) but anyways I
can still stand still in the dark with my eyes closed as long as I want.

Stay clear of the marijana though:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/03/06/drug.bust.ap/index.html

hehe
 
M

Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

I would have thought that this would have happened much sooner than 30
years.
 
N

N Cook

Jan 1, 1970
0
Arfa Daily said:
There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

Arfa

The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
 
C

CompUser

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;


Everybody loves to give advice, but this is
pretty easy...and serious, if it is lead. Get to
a doc and get the blood test. Easy call on
that...and get real treatment, if it is lead.
Otherwise, it may just be too much fun from the
Sixties, catching up with ya...and general aging.
 
M

MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll.

That's just stupid. For a definitive control, go to your doctor and
tell him you need a heavy metals screening. Check for lead, mercury,
and cadmium.

You'll likely find very little. Metallic form lead is not
dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so. Cadmium has
been out of use in dangerous form for a long many years now... decades
even.




So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

You can hurt yourself by taking too much of many vitamins. E and
selenium are just a couple. You should take no more than that found
in a normal multivitamin.
Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.

Better off merely getting a blood screening to find out if any of
your actions are even warranted at all.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

Hahahaha... ever heard of placebo response?

How about psychosomatic illness?
 
D

Dave Plowman (News)

Jan 1, 1970
0
Metallic form lead is not
dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so.

Indeed. Even in areas where lead pipes are used for water there's little
evidence of lead getting in the body. Lead compounds are a different
matter.
 
S

Steve Noll

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

Not likely lead.
I work in the electronics manufacturing industry and have been
soldering with lead-based solder since I was a kid. Not taking any
precautions either. I got curious and got a lead test about a year
ago. It found nothing. You must really have to eat the stuff for it
to be absorbed.


Steve Noll | The Used Hi Tech Equipment Dealer Directory:
| http://www.big-list.com
| Peltier Information Directory:
| http://www.peltier-info.com
 
P

PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
0
I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

Mercury poisoning, not lead poisoning...
 
R

RonSonic

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

So have you considered just getting a test done? There are real systems for
Dx-ing and treating that sort of thing that don't involve guessing and eating
odd weeds.

I believe it was mercury that got the hatmakers.

Are we to blame lead for some of the blithering rage, inchoate hatreds and
shrieking, unending verbal spewage that we are subjected to around here.

They say it was the lead that caused house painters to become the drunks that
they historically were. Is this refuted by the fact that so many painters are
still drunks even though the lead is gone. Does it explain more of the drinking
habits of some of our players around here.

Get the fillings replaced with composite while you're at it. There's enough
idiocy here already.

Ron

Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
 
J

J.P.

Jan 1, 1970
0
Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
that one way or the other, right?


If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
(Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)


That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.


After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.
Seaweed...J.P.
Hadn't heard that one.
 
J

J.P.

Jan 1, 1970
0
Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
important than it was.

It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
toxicity is cumulative.

There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
Do not forget the possibility of virus damage that has not been
discovered yet..J.P.
 
B

Bob Urz

Jan 1, 1970
0
Steve said:
Not likely lead.
I work in the electronics manufacturing industry and have been
soldering with lead-based solder since I was a kid. Not taking any
precautions either. I got curious and got a lead test about a year
ago. It found nothing. You must really have to eat the stuff for it
to be absorbed.


Steve Noll | The Used Hi Tech Equipment Dealer Directory:
| http://www.big-list.com
| Peltier Information Directory:
| http://www.peltier-info.com

I remember in the good ole days when i was a kid and we used to shine up
coins with mercury............

Still alive. Maybe not smarter though....... ;)

Bob
 
T

TT_Man

Jan 1, 1970
0
BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.
Mercury in teeth fillings is a known problem ..........
 
S

Stephen Cowell

Jan 1, 1970
0
Arfa Daily said:
....

....

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering,
are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some
evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date,
can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in
extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
..
 
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