speakers' cable

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Vexator

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

C

CFoley1064

Jan 1, 1970
0
Subject: speakers' cable
From: "Vexator" [email protected]
Date: 9/16/2004 3:21 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>

Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

Hmmmn. Vexator is described in latin as "one who distresses, a troubler,
harasser, vexer" (Lewis & Short). Does this have meaning?

16 gauge zip cord from the hardware store will do as well as "Monster Cable"
for any speaker made for home use.

There is no non-trivial _measurable_ difference between regular copper wire and
"oxygen-free" "Monster Cable" for transmitting audio frequency power to
speakers, as long as the wire gauges are the same size. This is true using any
electronic instrument to make the measurement. And in all true "double-blind"
tests (swapping all other components as well as the speaker wire on a random
basis) of any significant sample size, there is no "non-measurable" audible
difference as determined by "golden ears".

Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds, without the aid of
science or engineering. The purpose of listening to music is to obtain a
pleasurable experience, which is inherently subjective. Someone's listening
experience may be enhanced by the subjective satisfaction of knowing they spent
$100+ USD on speaker cables. Then, in fact, the mystical power of conspicuous consumption is an improvement for them. Just don't call it measurable and don't call it science. Chris B Ban Jan 1, 1970 0 Hmmmn. Vexator is described in latin as "one who distresses, a troubler, harasser, vexer" (Lewis & Short). Does this have meaning? 1. Vexator Much like an annoying rash that won't go away unless surgically removed. Generally someone who resorts to the "I know you are but what am I" type of reply when they're feeling even slightly threatened. The Vexator being insecure about his manhood usually brags about his car and likes to party with his common loser friends who also don't have girlfriends. Somebody should just shoot that poor Vexator and put him out of his misery. Source: StingRay, Mar 28, 2004 I think it's one of those internet games figures. But the OP might know it better, especially as he seems fluent in Latin. 16 gauge zip cord from the hardware store will do as well as "Monster Cable" for any speaker made for home use. There is no non-trivial _measurable_ difference between regular copper wire and "oxygen-free" "Monster Cable" for transmitting audio frequency power to speakers, as long as the wire gauges are the same size. This is true using any electronic instrument to make the measurement. And in all true "double-blind" tests (swapping all other components as well as the speaker wire on a random basis) of any significant sample size, there is no "non-measurable" audible difference as determined by "golden ears". Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds, without the aid of science or engineering. The purpose of listening to music is to obtain a pleasurable experience, which is inherently subjective. Someone's listening experience may be enhanced by the subjective satisfaction of knowing they spent$100+ USD on speaker
cables. Then, in fact, the mystical power of conspicuous consumption
is an improvement for them. Just don't call it measurable and don't
call it science.

I agree with Chris. Someone on rec.audio.high-end has put a couple of
thousand \$ up in case you are able to distiguish between a RS-style
zip-chord and any high-end cable in a double blind test. This challenge has
been up for a couple of years already, but AFAIK nobody even tried yet.
Maybe the vexator could train at home already, without girl-friend he should
have some time at disposition.

V

Vexator

Jan 1, 1970
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My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life, what is?
I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time to write that
bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and excuse
me for my little penis.

Have a good day Ben

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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Vexator said:

My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life,
what is? I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time
to write that bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and
excuse me for my little penis.

Have a good day Ben
hey,
I just copied the second page that came up in Google
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vexator

seems it has triggered you quite well. If you choose a name like this for
yourself, you should know the meaning apart from the personality of the
computer game, which you identify with.
))
ciao Ban

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Dbowey

Jan 1, 1970
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Vexator posted:

<< I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?
They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of your
money.

However.........

There is one thing you can do to reduce the potential for strong RF signals
cable through its length.

Don

V

Vexator

Jan 1, 1970
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yep! Now I understand! Sorry Ban, I've been hard with you. Again, I had not
understood.

I don't know many slang words.

Ciao!

V

Vexator

Jan 1, 1970
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They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of your
money.

Here we say: "furto senza passamontagna".... namely: "robbery without
balaclava".

ciao

J

JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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Are [their] cables better [than] others?
No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

:Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds,
:without the aid of science or engineering.
: Chris Foley
:
As happens all the time.

J

John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator
No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

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andy

Jan 1, 1970
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Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator
No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

J

John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

J

John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
0
Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

12/2 romex. Can't be beat.

John

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andy

Jan 1, 1970
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On 16 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0700, [email protected] (JeffM) wrote:

Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

J

John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

B

Bob Myers

Jan 1, 1970
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But why in the world would you WANT such
a thing?

Bob M.

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krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
But why in the world would you WANT such
a thing?

I thought John Fields answered that question rather well.

K

Ken

Jan 1, 1970
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can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

J

Jan 1, 1970
0
K

Ken

Jan 1, 1970
0
But you can't get it...

Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.

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