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Richard The Dreaded Libertarian

Jan 1, 1970
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As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.

Easiest, for bureaucrats, yes. Also the quickest way to create the
deadliest black market the planet has yet seen.

You statists just never clue up, do you?

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Terry said:
Terry Given wrote:

[snip]

pointless argument; a faulty gun or round (or aim) can have the same
effect. Besides, isnt the danger the whole point?

Personally, I prefer walking out back and grabbing my prey from its pen,
its easier that way.


I prefer the Safeway meat counter.

As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.


Not really. I don't want cops or civilians walking around armed if they
don't stay in practice. A few hundred rounds a month expended at the
target range is probably a bare minimum.

True. The thought of a gaussian distribution applied to those who carry
firearms is truly scary :(

Wasnt the columbine kids hit rate far higher than SWAT?

My stepfather has been active in pistol clubs in NZ for along time, and
has nothing but scorn for the Armed Offenders Squad here.

Cheers
Terry

The local police force here requires its officers to qualify with
firearms once a year. The minimum passing score is to hit the target
(not the bulls eye, but the paper target) at 20 yards 70% of the time.
The pistol range I shoot at has a rule that any civilian* not capable of
placing ALL their rounds on the target may be asked to leave the range.

*From time to time, the police/sheriff/DEA/INS/FBI/Federal Marshals take
over the range for practice and qualification. Some time ago, when I
passed by and saw the sign 'Reserved for Law Enforcement', I went back
home and logged on to their web cams. Its frightening. The SWAT guys
aren't too bad. Some of the uniformed officers are OK, some are
pathetic. But the people who I assume are undercover (they look like a
bunch of dirt bags) couldn't hit the side of a barn. But then, neither
can most gang-bangers, so it makes sense to maintain their cover.
 
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Jeff L

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus13429 said:
When visiting Lowe's, the other week, I saw a strange electronic
safe.

The silvery cover with buttons, etc, could easily pop out, which is
what I did, to look at what is inside.

On the inside of the cover, there was a battery compartment, some
PCBs, and a telephone style wire going to inside the safe.

My question is this.

Is there some smart circuitry inside the safe, such that the cover
only sends electricity and keypad signals to the "brains" inside the
safe, and the "brains" decide when to open the lock based on keypad
combination.

Or, is it perhaps a bullshit "safe" where the brains are in the PCBs
outside and that sends current to the door opener inside through the
wire? In this case, the safe could be opened by simply applying
battery voltage to the wires going inside, bypassing PCBs.

I know that no one can say for sure. What makes me suspect the latter
is that there are basically too few conductors inside a typical
telephone wire to send all those keycodes. It can be done, I suppose,
but maybe it is not. Any thoughts?


I have a safe I bought used really cheap (brand mane, maybe a few years old,
tops) because the keys were apparently locked inside, with a tube type key
(like what's used on pop machines, at least around here - round tube with 6
or 8 tumblers), and an electronic keypad lock. It took about 5 minutes to
pick and open, including looking for a screwdriver to modify with the
dremel. With out going into much detail, those mechanical locks, or at least
this one, are a joke to pick, the tumblers are even exposed. This lock even
has a hardened steel domed shaped insert in the middle of the lock to help
prevent someone from drilling it. To open the electronic lock, all I did was
open the battery compartment, and noticed that the keyboard would likely pop
off if I pull on it, which it did. This exposed two wires going into the
safe. Shorting the battery to one of the wires with a screwdriver or a piece
of wire allowed me to push the handle down and open the safe. Unfortunately,
no keys inside, or anything else.
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
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Or magnetic media. A "fire safe" is rated to keep paper from burning in a
typical fire for 1 hour, but disks and tapes would melt before then. In the
concrete floor they would have a better chance.
Ha, had a co-worker once who went on and on about his guns, the gun
shows he attended, etc. They, he went out and bought a 'fireproof' safe
to hold all these valuable.

After a few weeks, he opened the safe, and found rust on all his
valuable collector guns. It seems this brand of 'fireproof' safe had
and inner lining of some sort of soft, porous rock, like soapstone, that
was saturated with water to protect the valuables from fire. This of
course raised the interior humidity, and thus, rusted the guns very quickly.

It was funny, since it had cost him a bundle (even used!) and he had
regaled us for weeks on all the trouble he had moving it and installing
it (he built it into a wall... :cool: ) and now it was worthless to him!

Charlie
 
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Roger Hamlett

Jan 1, 1970
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Charlie Edmondson said:
Ha, had a co-worker once who went on and on about his guns, the gun
shows he attended, etc. They, he went out and bought a 'fireproof' safe
to hold all these valuable.

After a few weeks, he opened the safe, and found rust on all his
valuable collector guns. It seems this brand of 'fireproof' safe had
and inner lining of some sort of soft, porous rock, like soapstone, that
was saturated with water to protect the valuables from fire. This of
course raised the interior humidity, and thus, rusted the guns very
quickly.

It was funny, since it had cost him a bundle (even used!) and he had
regaled us for weeks on all the trouble he had moving it and installing
it (he built it into a wall... :cool: ) and now it was worthless to him!

Charlie
I doubt if the stone was saturated to protect the contents. More likely,
if the safe was second hand, that it had stood outdoors for some time.
Most fireproof safes, have fibrous layers inside the outer skin, which
will get soaking wet if the unit is left outdoors. An industrial
dehumidier stood inside it for a week, should dry it perfectly.

Best Wishes
 
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