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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
[snip]

For some reason I don't think I'd trust an electronic safe.

I use a good old-fashioned tumbler safe that's fire-proof and buried
in the concrete floor.

I find that a good holster is the safest place to keep my gun.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm wondering how long it will be before gun safes come equipped with an
RFID reader. Embed a chip in a ring, watch or even under the skin. Then,
one hand wave and the safe pops open.
 
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Luhan

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul said:
Luhan said:
[snip]

I have a marshmellow gun, and I know how to use it!

Better yet, a spud cannon.

Better? Yea, but I had to go way out of town to shoot the sucker. I
can shoot marshmallows all around the neighborhood here and impress the
10 year olds: "Hay meester, waat eeze dat?"

Luhan
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm wondering how long it will be before gun safes come equipped with an
RFID reader. Embed a chip in a ring, watch or even under the skin. Then,
one hand wave and the safe pops open.

I've heard rumblings of a similar idea where there's an RFID embedded in
the hand, and a reader in the actual gun: it won't fire if it doesn't
ID its owner. I have no idea what ever happened to it, but I think it's
kind of a kewl idea.

Thanks!
Rich
 
Rich said:
I've heard rumblings of a similar idea where there's an RFID embedded in
the hand, and a reader in the actual gun: it won't fire if it doesn't
ID its owner. I have no idea what ever happened to it, but I think it's
kind of a kewl idea.

It exists. There was an attempt to make it standard issue for cops, the
idea being that a bad guy then can't disarm a cop and use his own gun.

There was also an attempt to make a similar sort of product compulsory
on any handgun sold for private use (or maybe it was any gun, period).
IIRC this was eventually watered down into compulsory trigger lock
legislation, which is no less silly but at least less intrusive.

People who are so completely unable to mind their own business *should*
be shot IMHO.
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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Assuming the batteries have not gone dead or an electronic failure occurs.
I had a friend with a gun safe that used 8 AAcells to power the lock,and
they died,and he could not find the key to open it.So,he gave it to me,said
I could have the gun inside if I could get the safe open.It took me 30
seconds to pick the lock.I found the Duracells had leaked and ate through
one of the wires of the battery holder.I will NEVER have an electric or
electronic locked gun safe.
If a ring(or other object),what happens if the person removes the ring,and
an unauthorized person(child) finds it and uses it?
I've heard rumblings of a similar idea where there's an RFID embedded in
the hand, and a reader in the actual gun: it won't fire if it doesn't
ID its owner. I have no idea what ever happened to it, but I think it's
kind of a kewl idea.

Thanks!
Rich

First,the idea of a "smart gun" was to protect police,who have a high
chance of being shot with their own gun,taken from them in a struggle with
a suspect.
BUT,police do not WANT such a gun,as it's reliability would be suspect,and
could not be used with the OTHER hand if needed,or by another officer or
even a civilian trying to assist a wounded officer by using his gun.
And LEOs are exempted from most of the gun control laws.(when on duty)

So,the idea was to beta-test it by making it for the general public.
Some US states already have laws on their books saying that once such a gun
becomes commercially available,all new guns sold must have that technology.

So,what is not good enough for the police is good enough for ordinary
citizens,whose lives may depend on the gun's reliability and functioning.

Unacceptable.

A gun is one item that when you need it to work,it better work or it could
cost you your life. Same for a gun safe.
 
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Keith

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm wondering how long it will be before gun safes come equipped with an
RFID reader. Embed a chip in a ring, watch or even under the skin. Then,
one hand wave and the safe pops open.
Why not a fingerprint reader. It can't cost much these days, there
is one on my laptop and it works quite well (logs in the right
person with a quick swipe).
 
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Luhan

Jan 1, 1970
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Keith said:
Why not a fingerprint reader. It can't cost much these days, there
is one on my laptop and it works quite well (logs in the right
person with a quick swipe).

I went to a local gun show a couple years ago. There was a nifty gun
safe that had mechanical buttons. You could reach down with one hand
and open it in less than one second flat.

The most amusizing aspect of the the gun show what that you could carry
any gun around (not loaded) but cameras were forbidden!!!

Luhan
 
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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Assuming the batteries have not gone dead or an electronic failure occurs.
I had a friend with a gun safe that used 8 AAcells to power the lock,and
they died,and he could not find the key to open it.So,he gave it to me,said
I could have the gun inside if I could get the safe open.It took me 30
seconds to pick the lock.I found the Duracells had leaked and ate through
one of the wires of the battery holder.I will NEVER have an electric or
electronic locked gun safe.
If a ring(or other object),what happens if the person removes the ring,and
an unauthorized person(child) finds it and uses it?

betcha flipped it upside down and banged it with a hammer ;)
First,the idea of a "smart gun" was to protect police,who have a high
chance of being shot with their own gun,taken from them in a struggle with
a suspect.
BUT,police do not WANT such a gun,as it's reliability would be suspect,and
could not be used with the OTHER hand if needed,or by another officer or
even a civilian trying to assist a wounded officer by using his gun.
And LEOs are exempted from most of the gun control laws.(when on duty)

So,the idea was to beta-test it by making it for the general public.
Some US states already have laws on their books saying that once such a gun
becomes commercially available,all new guns sold must have that technology.

So,what is not good enough for the police is good enough for ordinary
citizens,whose lives may depend on the gun's reliability and functioning.

Unacceptable.

A gun is one item that when you need it to work,it better work or it could
cost you your life. Same for a gun safe.

Over here, we just use them for hunting.

Cheers
Terry
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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Terry Given said:
betcha flipped it upside down and banged it with a hammer ;)

Nope;hairpin and small flat-bladed screwdriver,the old-fashioned way.
They since switched to a tubular pin-type lock cylinder,instead of a low-
security 4-pin lock cylinder.Other than the poor lock cylinder and
vulnerable power supply,the safe was quite durable.
Over here, we just use them for hunting.

Cheers
Terry

Even when hunting,a faulty "smart gun" trigger lock could cost you your
life,depending on the type of game you're after.
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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Why not a fingerprint reader. It can't cost much these days, there
is one on my laptop and it works quite well (logs in the right
person with a quick swipe).

Until the electronics fail unexpectedly.(at the worst possible time!)
 
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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Nope;hairpin and small flat-bladed screwdriver,the old-fashioned way.
They since switched to a tubular pin-type lock cylinder,instead of a low-
security 4-pin lock cylinder.Other than the poor lock cylinder and
vulnerable power supply,the safe was quite durable.

ye gods, that is a bad lock. I got several sets of lockpicks by mail
order when I lived in the US. very handy.
Even when hunting,a faulty "smart gun" trigger lock could cost you your
life,depending on the type of game you're after.

pointless argument; a faulty gun or round (or aim) can have the same
effect. Besides, isnt the danger the whole point?

Personally, I prefer walking out back and grabbing my prey from its pen,
its easier that way.

As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.

Cheers
Terry
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Terry said:
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pointless argument; a faulty gun or round (or aim) can have the same
effect. Besides, isnt the danger the whole point?

Personally, I prefer walking out back and grabbing my prey from its pen,
its easier that way.

I prefer the Safeway meat counter.
As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.

Not really. I don't want cops or civilians walking around armed if they
don't stay in practice. A few hundred rounds a month expended at the
target range is probably a bare minimum.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
I've heard rumblings of a similar idea where there's an RFID embedded in
the hand, and a reader in the actual gun: it won't fire if it doesn't
ID its owner. I have no idea what ever happened to it, but I think it's
kind of a kewl idea.

Not reliable enough. If you need the gun to fire for self defense and
the RFID reader cuts out, you're dead. The gun safe would still have a
combination lock or key as backup. The RFID system would just speed
things up.
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.

Cheers
Terry


Hardly,people would just make their own;cast your own bullets from
wheelweights,load your own cartridges.It's not hard.

Just like those guys in Australia who were making handguns in a home
shop,by the hundreds,selling them illegally,or the guys in UK who convert
replicas to fire real ammo.Not that making a Sten machine gun is all that
hard,either.

Also,raising the price would only encourage smuggling.
 
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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul said:
Terry Given wrote:

[snip]

pointless argument; a faulty gun or round (or aim) can have the same
effect. Besides, isnt the danger the whole point?

Personally, I prefer walking out back and grabbing my prey from its pen,
its easier that way.


I prefer the Safeway meat counter.

As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest
solution.


Not really. I don't want cops or civilians walking around armed if they
don't stay in practice. A few hundred rounds a month expended at the
target range is probably a bare minimum.

True. The thought of a gaussian distribution applied to those who carry
firearms is truly scary :(

Wasnt the columbine kids hit rate far higher than SWAT?

My stepfather has been active in pistol clubs in NZ for along time, and
has nothing but scorn for the Armed Offenders Squad here.

Cheers
Terry
 
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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
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Hardly,people would just make their own;cast your own bullets from
wheelweights,load your own cartridges.It's not hard.

Just like those guys in Australia who were making handguns in a home
shop,by the hundreds,selling them illegally,or the guys in UK who convert
replicas to fire real ammo.Not that making a Sten machine gun is all that
hard,either.

Also,raising the price would only encourage smuggling.

True. Ultimately this all boils down to the unspoken social contract not
to be a prick. so-called western civilisation holds together for the
most part because we all choose not to behave badly. Large power cuts
have shown that this choice is not necessarily deeply rooted in all of
us. Others, of course, choose to behave badly from the outset.

its easy to argue that lack of access to guns makes wholesale slaughter
more difficult. Except Rwanda proved that all it takes is more people
behaving badly, using inferior weapons.

Cheers
Terry
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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I went to a local gun show a couple years ago. There was a nifty gun
safe that had mechanical buttons. You could reach down with one hand
and open it in less than one second flat.

I've seen those but I don't bother with a safe at all.
The most amusizing aspect of the the gun show what that you could carry
any gun around (not loaded) but cameras were forbidden!!!

Huh. The gun shows here are likely the safest place on the planet.
Almost everyone is packing and not one has been robbed yet. ;-)
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Until the electronics fail unexpectedly.(at the worst possible time!)

You trust a key or cypher lock when there is a bad guy crawling in
the window? A finger on the latch would seem to be less likely to
(mind) jam.
 
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