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John Larkin
- Jan 1, 1970
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I hope that 24 KW was a typo.
Hmmm... 200 amps times 12 volts is, well, 24,000 watts.
John
I hope that 24 KW was a typo.
Hmmm... 200 amps times 12 volts is, well, 24,000 watts.
John
200
x 12
Huh?
200
x 12
-----
400
200
-----
2400
Did we slip a decimal? ;-)
Thanks,
Rich
Rich said:John said:kell wrote:
EdV wrote:
Functionally testing the board requires a 200 amp 12 V supply and
a 24kW load which still doesn't really tell you if there is a FET
missing or stuffed with something else that is not conducting.
Regarding the "deserve" thing. My performance is rated on how
much warranty return I prevent and prettty much nothing else.
I hope that 24 KW was a typo.
Hmmm... 200 amps times 12 volts is, well, 24,000 watts.
John
Huh? [snip] Did we slip a decimal? ;-)
I suppose so. I don't check stuff I don't get paid for.
I suppose so. I don't check stuff I don't get paid for.
John Larkin wrote...Rich said:John Larkin wrote:
kell wrote:
EdV wrote:
Functionally testing the board requires a 200 amp 12 V supply and
a 24kW load which still doesn't really tell you if there is a FET
missing or stuffed with something else that is not conducting.
Regarding the "deserve" thing. My performance is rated on how
much warranty return I prevent and prettty much nothing else.
I hope that 24 KW was a typo.
Hmmm... 200 amps times 12 volts is, well, 24,000 watts.
John
Huh? [snip] Did we slip a decimal? ;-)
I suppose so. I don't check stuff I don't get paid for.
Not even when the hint is, "I hope that was a typo?" I know how
easy it is to miss a factor of 10, or 60 (like I did a few days
ago) when doing a quick calculation in your head. But we have
to practice and guard strongly against it. We need to trust our
back-of-the-envelope calculations, otherwise they can rear up and
bite us hard where it hurts really bad. For example in ruling out
a superior approach when making a quick scratch-pad evaluation.
Oh, but just ask any of our favorite trolls (you know who you are ;-) ),
and they'll agree: Being Right is, itself, sufficient payoff! ;-P ;-P ;-P
Aha, some good news. For the supply use a largish car/truck battery. WhenEdV said:Functionally testing the board requires a 200 amp 12 V supply and a 24
KW load which still doesn't really tell you if there is a FET missing
or stuffed with something else that is not conducting.
Regarding the "deserve" thing. My performance is rated on how much
warranty return I prevent and prettty much nothing else.
My group has been tasked with designing a test for a board that
has ten mosfets in parallel. No jumpering allowed. The
designers say that adding jumpers and bus bars make the circuit
oscillate.
The first thing I want to test is that all of the parts are
actually stuffed with the correct part(this sort of stuff happens
to us). Perhaps driving the mosfets into the linear region with a
modest load and then measuring their individual temperatures with
an array of thermistors.
~~~Have a 0-12V ADC into a linear gate-driver with ~~~
DAC
An 8-bit ADC, clocked at 10KHz, will ramp from
They may have directly paralleled all drains and
sources, but at least they should have driven each
gate via separate gate resistors. If so that is
your possible entry point for testing.
Think about dropping the pcb onto a bed of nails,
two nails per device, where you can selectively
short the gate-source of 9 devices, leaving just
one device active for measurement.
Have a 0-12V DAC into a linear gate-driver with
several amps capability, (in order to drive those
9 shorted gate resistors). To avoid dissipation
problems in those resistors, each active gate-
-driving test must only last a few milliseconds.
An 8-bit DAC, clocked at 10KHz, will ramp from
0-12V in 26mS, with 50mV steps. Have a safety
circuit that toggles the drive OFF if the gate
drive is ON for too long (ADC stalled).
Use a 5V/10A dc supply, through a 0.5 ohm
resistor to the commoned drains. May be useful
to have a few selectable values of resistor.
Dual-beam scope needed, probing Vgs and Vds.
An IEEE scope will enable data to be snatched
off quickly.
Do three broad tests.
1) All devices OFF. Check that Vds = Vsupply.
You may change the 0.5 ohm for a higher value
for this test. This is the leakage current test.
2) Pulse 12V Vgs to one device, measure Vds at 10A.
This is the ON resistance test.
3) Ramp the Vgs of one device 0-12V, plot Vds at the
same time. This characterises Id versus Vgs, or
gets Vgs(threshold).
It all hangs on whether they used separate gate
resistors and what value.............
Winfield Hill said:Tony, I'm impressed, great solution, your brain has been
working overtime. I hope it didn't become overheated!
As for performing this test when the resistors are low
values, that simply means shorter-time pulse testing,
higher drive currents in the test device, etc. The
entire story and complexity shows the silliness of not
re-visiting the PCB to add test features to the design.
Riscy,Riscy said:It took me 5 day begging with my manager until he decided to authorised
the purchase of Flir thermal imaging camera. I use it to measure
temperature profile of the circuit at 150degC and make improvement. The
time saved justified the cost but manager seem not to pay attention on
achievement...pity.
Riscy
Geez, Win, it's only a newsgroup. It doesn't matter.
John Larkin wrote...
Awwwh, now you've gone and hurt our feelings!
Of course we matter!
John Larkin wrote...
Awwwh, now you've gone and hurt our feelings!
Of course we matter!
John said:I only know, for sure, that six members of this newsgroup, including
myself, actually exist.
John