It's funny how you guys talk of Europe being 'socialist' when in fact it's the
US that's being held to ransom by trades unions !
Such a thing would never be tolerated here.
BLTs ?
Over here that's a Bacon Lettuce and Tomato sandwich.
Graham
At the surface perhaps.
default said:We can already see the "positive" aspects of a warmer climate here
(Southeastern US). Crops that once flourished untouched by insects
are virtually impossible to grow because the lack of a hard freeze
leaves the mold and insect larva intact from season to season. I, for
one, would like a real tomato, not those little cherry thingees, or
that tasteless crap that Florida exports. Haven't seen a real tomato
in close to 10 years now.
John said:A government should be influenced by everyone. The more the better.
"Democracy" is what it's called, I think.
Are you suggesting that organized labor has no political influence in
the UK? That sounds nice.
Of course it has some influence. It could never achieve the above though.
Graham
This is for raising the entire mass of the oceans by an average of 2
degrees. It assumes that the surface temperature will maintain a .035
degree C per year rise after 1979 and that the thermal mass of the oceans
forms a first order lowpass filter with a time constant of 270 years as
calculated or "calculated" above.
I did not actually calculate but only estimated the time needed for the
output of a first order 270-year-time-constant filter to increase by 2
units after the start of a .035 unit per year ramp signal. Now I tried a
simple computer model for this, and get 197 years - the year 2176.
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Now for another scenario:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/Water/temp.html
shows the ocean being divided into 3 main layers - the surface layer,
the thermocline and the deep ocean.
The deep ocean largely has a temperature really close to that of maximum
density of water. I suspect this may be largely regulated, by being fed
water from whatever locations of the upper layers that have this
temperature.
If the temperature of the deep ocean is regulated, then ocean warming
will be largely confined to the upper layers. As an oversimplification, I
will take the depth of the region that warms to be the surface layer and
half the thermocline - 600 meters.
Using a 600 meter depth instead of a 3710 meter depth, the thermal time
constant shortens from 270 years to 44 years. With input signal of a .035
degree per year ramp starting in 1979, my simple computer model projects a
2 degree rise 97 years from 1979, or in 2075.
The above page says that the average temperature of the surface layer is
17 degrees C. The volume thermal expansion coefficient of water is about
.00017 per degree C. The average over the range of temperatures of ocean
water appears to me a bit less, maybe .00015 per degree C.
So when the top 600 meters has warmed up by 2 degrees C, it would expand
by about .03%, or .18 meter.
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
Unfortunately it isn't happening. Requires I download a "player" to
view the format - it isn't a standard video file type.
Then there's the pesky other 11 videos to watch before forming an
opinion. - on dialup? Sorry, better things to do then wait for that.
You must be wrong. Al Gore says 20 feet.
(for sea level to rise by 1 meter from thermal expansion)
John said:You must be wrong. Al Gore says 20 feet.
West Nile Fever, Eastern Equine Encephalitis, Malaria, Dengue areI
How about considering the positive aspects of a warmer climate. It looks good to
me. No heating on here right now for example. That'll reduce my carbon emissions
for starters. Longer growing seasons etc.....
I'm no climatologist, but I have gotten into the habit of listening to
people that know about the topics I don't. The large consensus of
climatologists says it is real and I tend to believe it.
Maybe you have heard of a Dr. Fleming, a european, I beleiveStill haven't discovered vaccination or antibiotics in your neck of the
woods?
Richard The said:I'm no climatologist, but I have gotten into the habit of listening to
people that know about the topics I don't. The large consensus of
climatologists says it is real and I tend to believe it.
Feh. Climatologists have about as much scientific credibility as
epidemiologists.
IOW, they have no clue, so they make up "studies" designed to "prove"
their point, then they turn it into dogma, and make you a "bad person"
if you don't swallow the party line, hook, line, and sinker.
I find it supremely interesting that not a one of them has any clue
about the Solar Constant, which isn't [isn't constant, that is]. How
did human activity cause the rise in Mars's temperature? Is Prince Al
going to jump on a rocket ship and go turn down the Sun's thermostat?
Jeff said:Yes, that is correct - my mistake. Gotta stop posting when half asleep! At
extreme pressures, water will remain water at well below freezing
temperatures.
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