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Ed Laughery

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi

I am interested in buying a copy of "the Art of Electronics". I would very
much appreciate obtaining a list of the differences between the first and
second edition.

Thanks in advance for your comments and consideration.

Regards
Ed
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Ed,
I am interested in buying a copy of "the Art of Electronics". I would very
much appreciate obtaining a list of the differences between the first and
second edition.

Why on earth wouldn't you want the newest edition? It is worth every penny.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Ed Laughery

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi

I have a chance to purchase a used first edition at a very attractive
price - thought I would simply find out what the major topic differences
might be. From your comment, it appears that the book is every bit the
"bible" that most folks claim it is.

Thanks for the reply.

Regards
Ed
 
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John B

Jan 1, 1970
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Ed Laughery scrobe on the papyrus:
Hi

I have a chance to purchase a used first edition at a very attractive
price - thought I would simply find out what the major topic
differences might be. From your comment, it appears that the book is
every bit the "bible" that most folks claim it is.

Thanks for the reply.

Regards
Ed

Win has been promising us a new edition for some time now. Might be
worth waiting.
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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John B said:
Ed Laughery scrobe on the papyrus:



Win has been promising us a new edition for some time now. Might be
worth waiting.

Nope. The wise way would be to buy this dirt cheap first edition and read
it. Then realize how beneficial it'd be to read the second edition, buy and
read it.
Then he'll be just as all of us, waiting for the 3rd edition. And while
waiting he'll a happy man with the previous editions for reference.
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Ed Laughery said:
Hi

I have a chance to purchase a used first edition at a very attractive
price - thought I would simply find out what the major topic differences
might be. From your comment, it appears that the book is every bit the
"bible" that most folks claim it is.

That depends on what you want to get from reading the book. AoE just
doesn't go deep enough into the details to actually get a design done.
It may help point you in the right direction to solve a problem.
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico Coesel said:
That depends on what you want to get from reading the book. AoE just
doesn't go deep enough into the details to actually get a design done.
It may help point you in the right direction to solve a problem.

Knowing the territory is the key to finding the solution though.
AOE is an excellent 'overview' book.
To be complete, it'd really need to be at least 100 times the size I
expect.

I do wonder what would happen if AoE 2 + notes was put up as a wiki.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico said:
That depends on what you want to get from reading the book. AoE just
doesn't go deep enough into the details to actually get a design done.

No single reference can do that. The tutorial topic presentations are of
sufficient scope and quality for purposes of review and launching the
reader into developing a more detailed understanding of the specialized
literature and pertinent datasheets for any particular application. The
specialized literature is where the user is most likely to find or
develop a specific solution to the application requirements, unless
those requirements are trivial, in which case the many circuit tidbits
in the book will suffice. If you don't know how to think analytically or
conduct research, you will miss 90% of the content of the book, but then
again most newbies are amply served by 10% of the content and will
develop more comprehension with time. AoE is infinitely better than the
"demystified" garbage because it introduces the reader to the real world
which they might as well get used to from the beginning; everyone has to
start somewhere. AoE is also infinitely better than university
laboratory instruction as most of that waste of time is taught by
inexperienced and incompetent academic idiots.
It may help point you in the right direction to solve a problem.

The problem is identifying those aspects of the practice that are likely
to endure the expected lifetime of the edition. It would be pointless to
waste time and money producing a huge volume with tons of detailed
circuit descriptions likely to become obsolete in short order.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Ed Laughery scrobe on the papyrus:



Win has been promising us a new edition for some time now. Might be
worth waiting....

depending on how old you are.

John
 
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John B

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin scrobe on the papyrus:
attractive >> price - thought I would simply find out what the major
topic >> differences might be. From your comment, it appears that
the book is >> every bit the "bible" that most folks claim it is.

depending on how old you are.

John

Well, I'm nearly 59, retired for six months and in reasonably good
health (that may be important). Do you think I can afford to wait, or
should I just stick with my copy of the first edition? I guess it
really depends on who pops their clogs first, me or Win!!!
 
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Terry

Jan 1, 1970
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I do wonder what would happen if AoE 2 + notes was put up as a wiki.

This is an amazing idea! Is there any takers? I mean even I would
contribute with what little knowledge I have...

Terry
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Terry said:
This is an amazing idea! Is there any takers? I mean even I would
contribute with what little knowledge I have...

Well, I could do this, but I have the suspicion that some regular
posters may object :)

A wiki 'from scratch' takes a hell of a lot longer to get started - if
it does at all, than one that starts from some framework.

AoE would be an ideal starting framework for an electronics wiki - but
it's unlikely to happen for a number of reasons I suspect.
 
Ian said:
Well, I could do this, but I have the suspicion that some regular
posters may object :)

A wiki 'from scratch' takes a hell of a lot longer to get started - if
it does at all, than one that starts from some framework.

AoE would be an ideal starting framework for an electronics wiki - but
it's unlikely to happen for a number of reasons I suspect.

I'd really like to see something out there in keeping with the spirit
of the AoE book. There's much in the way of information and 'tutorials'
already available but mostly it's clonework and essentially
worthless.
Would seem though that AoE differentiates itself from all other
textbooks, in that the authors have the experience and courage! to
point out numerous examples of what they see as elegant design and
clever technique. Y'know ... stuff used by real designers in real
products. I'd suggest it'd be phenominally difficult in a Wiki to
maintain that level of dedication and single mindedness of purpose .
Anyways, can't happen as Win'd lose his raison d'etre :)
john
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Would seem though that AoE differentiates itself from all other
textbooks, in that the authors have the experience and courage! to
point out numerous examples of what they see as elegant design and
clever technique. Y'know ... stuff used by real designers in real
products. I'd suggest it'd be phenominally difficult in a Wiki to
maintain that level of dedication and single mindedness of purpose .
Anyways, can't happen as Win'd lose his raison d'etre :)

Part of that is the starting base.
Most people will only add content of a similar quality.

Unfortunately the problem is the remaining 1%.

If my copy of AoE was a wiki.
I'd have added some bits, if only for my own use.
Mainly updating tables.
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
No single reference can do that. The tutorial topic presentations are of
sufficient scope and quality for purposes of review and launching the


The problem is identifying those aspects of the practice that are likely
to endure the expected lifetime of the edition. It would be pointless to
waste time and money producing a huge volume with tons of detailed
circuit descriptions likely to become obsolete in short order.

That's another way of putting what I already typed :)
 
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Kryten

Jan 1, 1970
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Terry said:
This is an amazing idea! Is there any takers? I mean even I would
contribute with what little knowledge I have...

I feel the AoE is a good starting foundation text.

It was designed to take people from an entrance level, show them around the
basics then it is up to the newly-confident reader to go exploring on their
own.

To do that alone, it is a large book. And therefore not cheap.
"And worth every frickin' cent!" I might add before the authors do.

Expanding it might well turn it into a huge set of encyclopaedias that
nobody can carry out of the shop in one go or afford to buy.

Now the internet is here, they can google for anything, though of course the
quality is rather varied. But having read the AoE, people can apply their
own judgement in sifting out good circuits from bad.
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Kryten said:
I feel the AoE is a good starting foundation text.

It's more that that in that it also shows people more advanced techniques,
even if it necessarily glosses over a few of the mathematical details at
times. As I seem to recall, it was initially written from class notes that
were taught in a physics department, where the emphasis was on transferring
enough knowledge to get people building real, useful instrumentation. Compare
that course of development to the standard EE curriculum, which emphasizes the
ability to analyze pretty much any circuit in great detail, but has much more
limited emphasis on synthesis as it applies to the real world. (The EE
synthesis emphasis seems to be largely in areas where there are "nice" results
available, such as filter design... but with, e.g., Butterworth, Chebyshev,
etc. rather than "weird" hybrid combinations like AoE tends to advocate.) A
standard EE curriculum doesn't include in-depth discussions of capacitor
types, construction techniques (including those for high-frequency design),
tables of "blue-chip" op-amps, etc.
Now the internet is here, they can google for anything, though of course the
quality is rather varied. But having read the AoE, people can apply their
own judgement in sifting out good circuits from bad.

Good point. There actually aren't that many Internet electronics web sites
that are "tutorial" in nature, since of course producing one is a very large
time commitment; instead, though, you find *many* "circuits" collections, and
their quality is all over the board.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Knowing the territory is the key to finding the solution though. AOE is an
excellent 'overview' book.
To be complete, it'd really need to be at least 100 times the size I
expect.

I do wonder what would happen if AoE 2 + notes was put up as a wiki.

I think they (Win and Mr. Horowitz) should do something like the guy
who wrote "Thinking in C++" - the book is downloadable for free, but they
charge you for the answers to the exercises. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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I think they (Win and Mr. Horowitz) should do something like the guy
who wrote "Thinking in C++" - the book is downloadable for free, but they
charge you for the answers to the exercises. :)

Cheers!
Rich

There is a teacher's answer book authored by Horowitz. I bought a
copy.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Rich Grise, but drunk

Jan 1, 1970
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I do wonder what would happen if AoE 2 + notes was put up as a wiki.

One of my best buddies in the service got married and had a kid. I
visited him and his wife, when the kid was about 3 or so - it was a
girl, and they were very conscientious with her sex education - she
already knew "penis", but the word they taught her for female genitalia
was "Wiki". (or maybe they spelled it "wickie")

Thanks!
Rich
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