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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Back in May 2002, Sandia released details of an experiment which
greatly enhanced IR emission beyond what would be expected of a
blackbody at the temperature (and as a side-effect be just dandy I think
for stealth from thermal IR).
Has any more been released on transferring this research into the visible?
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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Back in May 2002, Sandia released details of an experiment which
greatly enhanced IR emission beyond what would be expected of a
blackbody at the temperature (and as a side-effect be just dandy I think
for stealth from thermal IR).
Has any more been released on transferring this research into the visible?

I believe Sandia reduced the emission at wavelengths other than those
they wanted in the IR. That is, they made a selective IR emitter (and
absorber). As far as I know, it is not possible to produce more
emission from any object than would be produced by a black body at the
same temperature.

This was demonstrated in the visible years ago at Bell Labs, GE and
perhaps other places. The problem was, and still is, that the small
features required to make a selective visible emitter disappear (via
migration and similar processes) in too short a time to make a useful
lamp. Perhaps nanotechnology can be used to develop new materials that
will solve the life problem.
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, visible tungsten photonic lattice was announced by Sandia in July 2003.

Actually the article you reference below states "near-infrared"
emissions, not visible.
There is an article about it: "Energy emissions far greater than predicted
by Planck's Law" at web address:

http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2003/other/planck-lin.html

There are a few pictures too.

There seems to be a bit of controversy about Lin's claim that his
device exceeds the energy conversion efficiency of a blackbody at the
same temperature. For example see Trupke, et al., Applied Physics
Letters, Vol 84, No 11, March 15, 2004. There is a response by Lin in
the same issue of Applied Physics Letters.
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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Hymmm, I think that You didn't read this article carefully. There is
written:

" (...)The scientist at rest
Standing in his equipment-cluttered laboratory, Shawn Lin grins happily
among the vandalized wreckage of a number of ordinary light bulbs from
K-Mart. His team pirates the bulbs' screw-in bases and glass filament
supports for use as cheap, pre-made connectors and supports for the
iridescent slivers of photonic lattice his team substitutes for common
filaments of solid tungsten.

"Look!" Shawn says with obvious anticipation, and flips a switch connected
to where the reconstituted filament sits in a vacuum chamber.

In its little chamber, like a kind of witches' Sabbath for light bulbs, the
bulb, though formerly dead, now glows again, but with a distinctly yellow
light. The lattice filament, powered by only two watts, and with most of its
output keyed to the infrared range at 1.5 to 2 microns, has enough of a tail
into the visible spectrum for the lattice to glow. "We are that far along!"
Lin says with satisfaction. (...)"

I think that "a distinctly yellow light" it is visible so I do not
understand Your objection. Morover there are pictures which show that it
glowes in visable spectrum.

The article claims an improvement in output only in the near infrared.
Your own quote says 1.5 to 2 microns. Also, the J. Appl. Phys.
article by Lin I referenced refers to a peak gain at 4 microns, which
is not even the "near infrared" in my opinion. Perhaps there are other
articles that describe gains at shorter wavelengths, but with no
references provided in the Sandia press release, I take it to be just
that, a press release not backed up by any hard data.
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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One more time:

"The lattice filament, powered by only two watts, and with most of its
output keyed to the infrared range at 1.5 to 2 microns, has enough of a tail
into the visible spectrum for the lattice to glow."

http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2003/images/shawn-group.gif

I agree that the majority of light is emitted into IR and it is great IR
emitter but it also glows in yellow and IT IS VISIBLE NOW.

Regards:

Adam Wilanowski

OK, one more time, perhaps with more clarity.

While I agree that this lattice filament had some emission in the
visible, as far as I can determine there is no claimed gain in visible
emission over a normal tungsten filament. The size of the surface
features were chosen so that the lattice would selectively emit energy
in the infrared. The tungsten lattice does not provide higher
emissivity in the visible than any normal piece of tungsten, and
indeed may have less visible emission than a non-lattice structure.
The lattice structure used with this filament does not provide any
advantage in the visible portion of the spectrum, which is why I
objected to the calling it a "visible tungsten lattice.

You are certainly free to call it anything you want. I will have no
more comment on the issue of visible vs. IR.

I would be interested in discussing the issue of how the team at
Sandia can claim to exceed the emissivity of a blackbody at any
wavelength. See the J. Appl. Phys. articles I listed in my earlier
notes.
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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OK, one more time, perhaps with more clarity.

While I agree that this lattice filament had some emission in the
visible, as far as I can determine there is no claimed gain in visible
emission over a normal tungsten filament. The size of the surface
features were chosen so that the lattice would selectively emit energy
in the infrared. The tungsten lattice does not provide higher
emissivity in the visible than any normal piece of tungsten, and
indeed may have less visible emission than a non-lattice structure.
The lattice structure used with this filament does not provide any
advantage in the visible portion of the spectrum, which is why I
objected to the calling it a "visible tungsten lattice.

You are certainly free to call it anything you want. I will have no
more comment on the issue of visible vs. IR.

I would be interested in discussing the issue of how the team at
Sandia can claim to exceed the emissivity of a blackbody at any
wavelength. See the J. Appl. Phys. articles I listed in my earlier
notes.

I should have typed "articles in Applied Physics Letters", not
"Journal of Applied Physics."
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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Right. This photonic lattice glows realy low in visible and it isn't useful
light source for general lighting now. One thing that we should notice is
that tungsten photonic lattice glows in copletly diferent way that ordinary
normal piece of tungsten does. The mechanics of light generation from
photonic lattice is still (as I know) mysterious and one thing for sure it
is new way of light emitting from solid body.

Considering Lin's claim there is wiritten that lattice was powered with 2W
of power. As we could see on pictures the light emitted from lattice isn't
dazzling but it glows nice. I'm curious about what happens if we powered an
ordinary Edison bulb with 2W. How much light we will get? More or less than
did recive Lin from lattice?

Any figures for the temperature?
A fair comparison requires matching the temperature.

As for how much light can be produced by an ordinary filament with two
watts: That's roughly the power consumption of the lamp/bulb in a
3-D-cell "Mag" flashlight.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Victor Roberts

Jan 1, 1970
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I think your description of the Sandia achievement is essentially
correct, but it does seem a little grudging of the step forward it
represents (and please correct me if, as you hint, this step has been
taken before). I see it like this-

I respect the work the Sandia team has done, though I do have some
concerns about their claims to have violated Plank's Law. The negative
tone of my notes is based on the press release and the folks who wrote
it. The Sandia press release just one of far too many press releases
that claim far more than has actually been achieved.
1. A blackbody radiator becomes a more efficacious, visible emitter
the hotter it gets, i.e as a greater proportion of energy is emitted
at visible wavelengths.
Right

2. Tungsten incandescent lamps can demonstrate an impressive efficacy
when the filament is run at a temperature that will evaporate it
quickly.

Right in principle, but not that impressive without "help".
3. If you want to create a tungsten blackbody radiator that has both
high efficacy and long life then it would make sense (tungsten
chemistry tricks aside) to run the lamp at a modest temperature, but
somehow try and mitigate the level of power lost in the generation of
unwanted longer wavelengths.
Yes!

4. Lamp makers of course, already use this trick with heat reflecting
filters on several different kinds of lamp, including tungsten
incandescent. The result is a blackbody radiator that is seemingly
more efficient than normal by virtue of its (selective)thermal
insulation. Looked at close up, the radiator is behaving like it
should given an in bound flux of additionally warming, long-wavelength
photons.

Not only "behaving like" - it actually is. The IR reflector allows the
electrical input power to be reduced while the filament size and
temperature remains the same.
5. A photonic lattice (of the right dimensions) is simply a more
elegant way to achieve the same effect. In a manner of speaking it is
the selective reflector and blackbody emitter combined in a single
entity. The thwarted long wave emission is part of the energy input
into the radiator, that would otherwise be lost were it not for the
photonic structure.

Well, I would say that because the lattice prevents radiation in the
unwanted IR region, it is not an energy input, just less energy loss.
6. A blackbody radiator cannot be more efficient radiometrically than
physics allows, but a blackbody radiator as an element in a well
thought out system can be more efficacious photometrically than a
blackbody on its own.....

This is no longer a blackbody radiator. It is now a selective
radiator, and if it slight selective, like nature tungsten, it is
called a gray body radiator. But at any wavelength, the selective
radiator cannot radiate more energy than a blackbody of the same
temperature at that same wavelength.
7. Surely, Sandias efforts are all about creating long lived systems
with sufficiently small geometry to do the job intended. IR is where
they have got to now but other press releases strongly suggest a
determination to get to visible scales.

P.S. I would love to hear about earlier attempts in this direction if
you have the time.....

It is not time, but protection of proprietary technology. Here is what
is public. People have created "patterns" on tungsten filaments and
have shown that these patterns will selectively suppress radiation in
the IR while also increasing the emissivity of the tungsten in the
visible. (Remember that the emissivity of tungsten is not as high as a
blackbody so there is room for improvement.) These patterns then work
like the Sandia lattice. The problems with these prior efforts is that
the patterns disappear in less than 1000 hours when the tungsten is
operated to the temperature required to produce a lamp. The
disappearance is caused by temperature-induced tungsten migration. The
smaller the features, the faster they are lost.

The Sandia lattice may be more resistant to this problem than the
prior patterning efforts. However, to prove the concept and move
beyond what has been demonstrated before we need a lattice optimized
to enhance the emissivity in the visible, not the near IR, and we need
life test at operating temperature so show the lattice is stable for
at least 1000 hours. These are two well known issues. The short life
of small tungsten patterns is perhaps the only reason we do not have a
lamp with a selective emission tungsten filament right now.
 
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